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Post by Humph on Dec 5, 2019 22:10:56 GMT
Probably May 2021 at 5 years old.
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Post by Rob on Dec 5, 2019 23:15:59 GMT
How many miles does it have now and how many typically do you do a year? I know it's a guestimate for mileage because you do some longer trips down to Italy.
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Post by Avant on Dec 5, 2019 23:27:05 GMT
This looks like depending on when you're thinking of hanging up the proverbial shoe-horn. If it's at or near mid-2021, then your plan makes good sense, as you'll be driving the same car until then whoever owns it. If it's ausgeklappt by then (200,000 miles if you do 40k a year?), it should still have some value and you'd have some £££ in hand for, say, a newish Mondeo or Superb.
But if you're more likely to stay on for another few years, then these are calculations that could be done in the same way on the next car. You could perhaps choose a hybrid or a plug-in, perhaps something a bit cheaper than a Mercedes, which might suit you well in retirement.
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Post by Rob on Dec 6, 2019 0:46:20 GMT
It makes sense providing no large repair bills... If the company owns it they will pay. If you own it you will pay (unless you get a good warranty). I see no reason why it will end up with a large repair bill but who knows. Previous cars owned/driven is not going to guarantee anything.
If you don't intend retiring by May 2021 and the company keeps the car until then anyway.... Why ask about other cars? Sounds like there is scope to replace it sooner and if that is the case there are large savings to be made in other ways too. This is comparing apples and bananas if you could swap the car sooner/
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 6, 2019 7:45:36 GMT
....I'd combine the two previous answers, and add another question (and then go off-piste a bit).
In my years of company car ownership, many years my (company) mileage wasn't stratospheric. In others, with a national customer base and dispersed teams, I spent quite a bit of time on the road (or on the train). In those days, however, a company car was much more of a financial perk than it is now. I always took a sense of satisfaction that things would get sorted out at no cost to me if things went wrong (and they did a few times) even when the financial perk became less. Relatively risk-free and stress-free car ownership. I don't think that is something you can judge someone else's attitude to, it's your call! (I do know that I would want to be clear that my employer would cover the cost of a decent hire car, and fuel charges, in the event of a failure of my own). Are you feeling lucky?
Then, I'd echo Avant's words about timing - and only you know the answer to that. (and, TBH, I'm not sure that you won't want a change anyway immediately on retirement, rather than continuing with the LEC, and in that case the only real benefit may be the effective residual value when you retire - which is a risk given mileage, dieselgate and any intervening legislation, tax changes, etc.)
The third question really is the up-front affordability at the moment - do you have, and want to tie-up the purchase price (and how will that leave you when the head-gasket goes the next day?)
I think we went round the following circle in the past, but here goes again. If you want to avoid the BIK (and potentially set yourself up with another vehicle for your retirement), can you qualify for "non-personal use" with the company car? If you genuinely work from home a large proportion of the time, then it's certainly a possibility - though I'd clear it with the taxman first. The main constraint is NO personal use whatsoever, and there are strict guidelines on this which might be inconvenient, but qualifying would immediately remove all the BIK burden, maintain use of the car at no cost/risk to you for your stratospheric mileages, and allow you to immediately fund a different car for personal use, which would be subject to lower mileages, lower tax, lower insurance, less restriction (petrol), and be a reasonable vehicle you already have when you retire. Any second-vehicle "holiday" you could take simply by relying on a combination of bike and Qashqai would be money straight in your pocket. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 8:29:57 GMT
You don't want to be lumbered with a diesel car with over 200k miles on it in 5 years time. It will be worthless, and of no use to you whatsoever, as ULEZs etc will eat in to its usability and its sale-ability and value. Do not buy this car.
Get a company van/pickup for the rest of your working life, and use the savings in BIK to fund a new, petrol Qashqai for the wife and your personal needs.
I think...
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Post by Humph on Dec 6, 2019 8:51:34 GMT
Sorry Al, did you just say get a pick up? 🤔
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Post by WDB on Dec 6, 2019 8:59:14 GMT
You don't want to be lumbered with a diesel car with over 200k miles on it in 5 years time. It will be worthless... ...but what if it is? £10,000 over five years is £167 a month. How much is your Civic PCP costing you? Usability is a different issue, of course, but any new ULEZs will be introduced after a notice period, which hasn’t started yet, at least in UK cities. Not driving fossil cars into cities is the future anyway, regardless of the precise form of fossil they burn; meanwhile, diesel is still less damaging than petrol as a fuel for long-distance vehicles. Humph’s behavioural adjustment will not be to a petrol car.
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Post by Humph on Dec 6, 2019 9:10:09 GMT
There are of course a couple of other routes.
Buy the car now but sell it on again fairly quickly, hopefully at a small profit, then buy a "something else" that might last a bit longer.
Just hand it back now and buy a "something else" for £10,000 that might last a bit longer.
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Post by Humph on Dec 6, 2019 9:15:15 GMT
Just to give another number to play with, the "old" E class I had from 2011-2016 fetched £8000 as a trade in on this one with 190,000 on it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 9:34:30 GMT
You don't want to be lumbered with a diesel car with over 200k miles on it in 5 years time. It will be worthless... ...but what if it is? £10,000 over five years is £167 a month. How much is your Civic PCP costing you? Usability is a different issue, of course, but any new ULEZs will be introduced after a notice period, which hasn’t started yet, at least in UK cities. Not driving fossil cars into cities is the future anyway, regardless of the precise form of fossil they burn; meanwhile, diesel is still less damaging than petrol as a fuel for long-distance vehicles. Humph’s behavioural adjustment will not be to a petrol car. Difference being my Civic will still likely be a sought after car in 5 years, Humph's will not. Depreciation will be far less impactful. This isn't about me though, it doesn't matter what I've done. I'm just stating a risk that Humph might want to consider, namely that this E will likely be pretty much worthless shortly. This may or may not matter to him, but it's germane to the discussion, my Civic isn't. I'm not arguing about long-distance environmental impacts, nor am I making any environmental value judgement. Again, I'm just pointing out a risk that Humph may wish to consider. At the moment it looks like owning a diesel vehicle is a bigger risk in this context than a petrol one. I'm not asserting any certainty, just pointing out risks and stating what I would do in the circumstances. If it came across differently, well I'm at work and busy for a change, so was being concise. Hope the above clarifies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 10:09:59 GMT
Sorry Al, did you just say get a pick up? 🤔 A commercial vehicle for commercial use? Why not? If you have another proper car for your social/domestic/pleasure stuff it's all good.
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Post by Humph on Dec 6, 2019 10:13:53 GMT
A pick up would be well handy for MTB trips too though...🏔
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 10:19:12 GMT
True, true. I can see the case for it in your life. I just fear for your will to live on a very long journey. In my experience (admittedly all in a 2003 Navara) they ride, handle and assault the delicate senses like the tanks they are.
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Post by Humph on Dec 6, 2019 10:30:56 GMT
Apparently, if you're going to do it, the latest incarnation Navara is the one to have. It isn't restricted to van speed limits as some pick ups are, it has SUV style suspension, so rides better than the others and it still qualifies as a van for bik purposes. Fuel consumption isn't too bad either. Just about the only thing that would put me off is height restrictions in some car parks and indeed the width of parking bays in some older multi storey car parks. Could be a royal pain in some locations. Upside though is that you can use loading bays because it's a van.
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