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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 20:25:40 GMT
0-60 in 5.6 seconds apparently. Sounds like fun.
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Post by Humph on Jan 18, 2022 9:08:08 GMT
It should indeed be fun. Starting to see quite a few of the new Defenders around now. I’m still not sure if I like them, well, their appearance anyway, maybe I just need to get used to it.
I guess I’d enjoy driving one. Hope they are more reliable than some of the other Land Rover models. Friend of mine had a new Discovery for a year but got rid of it a few months ago after a series of problems. Pity really, it was a great thing when it was working.
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Post by bpg on Jan 18, 2022 9:26:59 GMT
0-60 in 5.6 seconds apparently. Sounds like fun. In a Usain Bolt running 100m in 6" stiletto heels kind of way. Might be OK in the traffic light grand-prix, throw a few corners the LRs way and, unless they've rewritten the laws of physics, the funny will turn hysterical. |
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Post by WDB on Jan 18, 2022 9:30:24 GMT
…especially halfway up an Alp or an Ande. Have fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:50:55 GMT
0-60 in 5.6 seconds apparently. Sounds like fun. In a Usain Bolt running 100m in 6" stiletto heels kind of way. Might be OK in the traffic light grand-prix, throw a few corners the LRs way and, unless they've rewritten the laws of physics, the funny will turn hysterical. Not seeing that comparison at ll. How is the Defender as unstable as someone in stilettos? I don't do traffic-light grand prixs anyway, I'm no longer 17. I can see it being fun on straight open roads. But hey, it's not compulsory, nothing in the ownership documents mean that you have to use all the acceleration available all the time, or indeed ever. And wouldn't corner catastrophes be rubbish driving at the wrong speed and very little to do with acceleration? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 14:54:00 GMT
It should indeed be fun. Starting to see quite a few of the new Defenders around now. I’m still not sure if I like them, well, their appearance anyway, maybe I just need to get used to it. I guess I’d enjoy driving one. Hope they are more reliable than some of the other Land Rover models. Friend of mine had a new Discovery for a year but got rid of it a few months ago after a series of problems. Pity really, it was a great thing when it was working. Their appearance is growing on me, I must say. Though I didn't like them in the beginning. I shall absolutely enjoy driving around in it and finding out what it's like. I have absolutely no intention of buying one, not my sort of thing at all. And I don't think they'd be all that chuffed if I took it aggressively off-roading in The Andes., but I'm still really looking forward to it. |
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Post by WDB on Jan 18, 2022 15:05:24 GMT
How is the Defender as unstable as someone in stilettos? Wellies might be more apt. 🤓 I don't do traffic-light grand prixs anyway. You will, once you get a real EV 😈 — at least if you get one before everyone does. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 15:12:30 GMT
Yes, Usain Bolt in wellies, makes more sense.
I'd love a proper EV, but the infrastructure simply isn't here. Nor is it likely to be in the foreseeable future. I also, in later life, developed an allergy to spending loads of money on cars so not only will they have to be here, they'll have to be here for a fair while before I buy one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 15:14:53 GMT
p.s. on the subject of Traffic Light Grand Prixs, in Chile one could wait for the lights to change, knit a jumper, go and get a coffee, and still be first away from the lights.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 15:18:35 GMT
I dunno how many miles you do, Chilean, but for me "spending loads of money on cars" used to mean spending loads of money on putting diesel in an old banger, a couple of years ago. I now spend far less (almost half) every month on the finance payments for my EV than I used to on diesel. And it never goes wrong or needs a torque converter replacing or something.
Get your point about charging infrastructure where you are. Not necessarily a show stopper, if you've got 2 cars and use an EV for local stuff and charge at home, with a long range ICE for other times.
I'm sure you've been around the bouys in your mind though, I'm not preaching, just chewing the fat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 15:37:35 GMT
I dunno how many miles you do, Chilean, but for me "spending loads of money on cars" used to mean spending loads of money on putting diesel in an old banger, a couple of years ago. I now spend far less (almost half) every month on the finance payments for my EV than I used to on diesel. And it never goes wrong or needs a torque converter replacing or something. Get your point about charging infrastructure where you are. Not necessarily a show stopper, if you've got 2 cars and use an EV for local stuff and charge at home, with a long range ICE for other times. I'm sure you've been around the bouys in your mind though, I'm not preaching, just chewing the fat. My mileage is a weird thing, mostly I do very little but then I'll suddenly do splurges of huge amounts. I went to see some friends a few weekends ago and that was a 2,000 km round trip (Lago Panguipulli, beautiful place) yet since then I doubt if I've done 200. I think my average, around town, mileage would have to increase a lot for EV savings to fund it's acquisition, if you see what I mean. This will absolutely change when I next change countries, it's very much a function of living in a capital city. Two cars would work, of course, but I've never really done very well with two cars in the past. I never seem to have the right one with me, or the one with the things I want in it, or I need to keep transferring stuff between the two. I realise that's a matter of personal organisation, but I find it a pain. I do have more than one vehicle but I use my Explorer all the time, even if one of the other vehicles would be more appropriate. The Explorer is utterly shite on fuel, but I don't use a tankful in a normal month. I guess a tankful is about £70, or thereabouts. I use about half that, I would think, And of course though the EV infrastructure is merely lacking in Santiago, it's as good as non-existent in the rest of Chile. |
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Post by bpg on Jan 18, 2022 15:52:25 GMT
In a Usain Bolt running 100m in 6" stiletto heels kind of way. Might be OK in the traffic light grand-prix, throw a few corners the LRs way and, unless they've rewritten the laws of physics, the funny will turn hysterical. Not seeing that comparison at ll. How is the Defender as unstable as someone in stilettos? I don't do traffic-light grand prixs anyway, I'm no longer 17. I can see it being fun on straight open roads. But hey, it's not compulsory, nothing in the ownership documents mean that you have to use all the acceleration available all the time, or indeed ever. And wouldn't corner catastrophes be rubbish driving at the wrong speed and very little to do with acceleration? Stilettos, wellies, flip-flops it was the unsuitability of the footwear for the purpose similar to buying an SUV for performance. Yes, they can do it of a fashion just like an Formula 1 car could be made to plough a field.
Some people get a level of fun with loads of diesel torque moving a big SUV up the road, they can shift surprisingly quickly. I know diesel is not your thing.
My B-i-L has had three LRs I think it is in the time I've known him. He buys one, has some open wallet surgery, moves on to something else and comes back to LR. His money, his choice.
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Post by dixinormus on Jan 19, 2022 22:10:37 GMT
I imagine that vast tracts of Chile are very rural and remote - EV chargers are going to be thin on the ground for a very long time to come. And in NZ most smaller roads are unsealed, potholed gravel that become surprisingly muddy and glutinous in winter. 4WD, or at least the raised ground clearance of a faux-by-four, is a useful asset.
Can’t foresee any EV overcoming these challenges for a while yet. I’m not even convinced that PHEV SUVs are the answer either; anything bigger than a RAV4 is still best in diesel form with regards to power and fuel consumption.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2022 9:43:45 GMT
I think a lot of coutries like that will become a bit like Cuba is now, once nobody makes new ICE vehicles any more. That is to say, there will be a lot more people keeping their vehicles on the road any which way they can for much longer than is the norm nowadays.
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Post by Humph on Jan 20, 2022 9:51:42 GMT
Yes, as I’ve previously discussed ad nauseam, I’m now of a mind to just keep going with the car I have for as long as it suits my needs and for as long as it keeps going.
Don’t want to spend squillions on a replacement vehicle that would either be a short term inconvenience (EV) or alternatively, a long term dinosaur. (ICE)
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