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Post by Hofmeister on May 5, 2017 18:17:32 GMT
Well all of you,, read Article 50. Negotiations are meant to happen in parallel about the leaving mechanism and the future. But the EU are ignoring that and saying we need to sort out the divorce first. I have read it, and it says nothing of the sort. It passes all decisions about process back to the council to decide.
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Post by tyrednexited on May 5, 2017 18:28:16 GMT
I have read it, and it says nothing of the sort. It passes all decisions about process back to the council to decide. ..indeed; Articles 50 and 218 throw little light on the negotiation process other than the above (and are singularly uncomplicated in doing so).
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Post by Hofmeister on May 5, 2017 20:00:27 GMT
I have read it, and it says nothing of the sort. It passes all decisions about process back to the council to decide. ..indeed; Articles 50 and 218 throw little light on the negotiation process other than the above (and are singularly uncomplicated in doing so). Its pretty clear that article 50 was never written with the idea that anyone would invoke it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 6:58:31 GMT
As this election was billed as giving the conservatives a stronger position from which to negotiate Brexit it's all gone a bit quiet from the Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs.
Has someone muzzled him ?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 9:47:37 GMT
Well over the last year or two it hasn't seemed to go that well when he opens his mouth, perhaps he's trying a different approach.
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Post by WDB on May 10, 2017 14:55:00 GMT
I have read it.
Article 50 1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
There's more, but this is the only bit that mentions what's to be negotiated. No mention of serial or parallel working, although the language gives precedence to withdrawal arrangements over future relationship. I need to look at 218(3) but I imagine those are general rules for the conduct of inter-state negotiations. What are you looking at that isn't in this?
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Post by tyrednexited on May 10, 2017 15:22:02 GMT
...as I referenced earlier, Article 218 clause 3 is equally 'anodyne', in its entirety being:
3. The Commission, or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy where the agreement envisaged relates exclusively or principally to the common foreign and security policy, shall submit recommendations to the Council, which shall adopt a decision authorising the opening of negotiations and, depending on the subject of the agreement envisaged, nominating the Union negotiator or the head of the Union's negotiating team.
Ultimately, the whole process is the Commission's to propose, and the Council's to endorse, with few, if any, ground rules pre-defined.
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