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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 16:43:33 GMT
Well done to the Liberals. Got rid of a nasty anti-Semitic piece of dirt called David Ward. Blamed Israel and the Jews for all the ills of the world. About time the Libs got serious about such issues. They have a very poor reputation in the Jewish community for being not so closet anti-Semities masquerading as anti-Zionists. I can just about cope with the latter (if it is honest criticism) but certainly not the former.
It probably won't get them any more votes at this election, but it will help in the future if they keep it up. Unlike Labour (well Corbyn) who seem incapable of understanding the point. Its not about money or politics or the Middle East, it's about a feeling of security in the country in which we live. If we don't feel wanted (and many of us don't feel wanted by Labour) we won't vote for them.
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Post by Alanović on May 3, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
Today, with her accusations against the EU, she has gone the full Trump. She is sabotaging our negotiating position herself, the very thing she erroneously accused opposition parties of doing.
Surely LibDem is the last sanctuary of any kind of reason in England. Or even the Greens for God's sake.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:37:28 GMT
I can still see the conservatives sabotaging their own campaign. None of the parties appear to have the stomach for forming the next government. Brenda will have to step in and force them all to create a coalition which will spend all its time infighting.
Juncker must be scratching his head wondering who or what will be sitting across the table in June.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:15:36 GMT
The problem is that the EU is so determined to give the UK a hard time it has forgotten that we are a huge trading partner and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own.
As someone wrote in the DT this morning, he voted remain, but is so appalled at the EU attitude, he is no longer upset about leaving. I think that they really are going to cut off their own nose to spite their face. This is a real pity, but membership at any price is a price not worth paying.
Many retainers like me voted with a firmly held nose to remain, understanding that however dreadful the EU is, the alternative was worse. Now many of us are not so sure. Europe is held ransom by Germany. Not something I want.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:17:07 GMT
>>and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own.
That is as true as the statement that our economy will be buried forever if we leave. It is an overly simplistic statement which pleases the minds of Daily Mail readers without taxing the journalistic abilities of Daily Mail writers.
How have we significantly suffered from the implications of the Spanish or Greek economies?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:50:18 GMT
The problem is that the EU is so determined to give the UK a hard time it has forgotten that we are a huge trading partner and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own. No. The problem is that certain characters in the EU establishment (and sadly some of the more vocal remainers in the UK) still seem to think that they can reverse the result by making threats and throwing abuse at the brexiteers. The idiots don't (or maybe they do) understand that that approach will only harden opinion and push more people into the leave camp. The more you push and disparage UK Joe Public the more likely you are to get an F-Off and a bloody nose.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:56:35 GMT
A quick question;
What would be the downside of an ineffectual coalition that didn't have the power to significantly interfere with anything?
The idea is quite growing on me.
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Post by Rob on May 4, 2017 0:09:59 GMT
>> What would be the downside of an ineffectual coalition that didn't have the power to significantly interfere with anything?
It might be advantageous IMO. I won't vote Tory but Labour is (a) a party I wouldn't normally vote for, (b) Corbyn is a disaster and (c) our local MP is Labour and with a huge majority.
I'll do what I usually do and vote for LD.
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Post by Alanović on May 4, 2017 9:07:08 GMT
The problem is that the EU is so determined to give the UK a hard time it has forgotten that we are a huge trading partner and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own. As someone wrote in the DT this morning, he voted remain, but is so appalled at the EU attitude, he is no longer upset about leaving. I think that they really are going to cut off their own nose to spite their face. This is a real pity, but membership at any price is a price not worth paying. Many retainers like me voted with a firmly held nose to remain, understanding that however dreadful the EU is, the alternative was worse. Now many of us are not so sure. Europe is held ransom by Germany. Not something I want. I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense and has to be answered.
The EU has done nothing more than set out its agenda and inform us of the rules of engagement.
Things are unfolding exactly how you would expect if taking a hard Brexit approach, which is what this shambolic, irresponsible, nationalistic, authoritarian government has foisted upon us. The fact it seems to be going down the gurgler rapidly is nobody's fault but our government's, and specifically the Supreme Leader Herself.
Even rambling idiot David Davis makes much better noises about the negotiations, I'd rather he were PM than her and that's an absolutely staggering thing to have to say.
What the DT publishes is hardly a balanced, analytical, realistic, sensible thing to rely on in terms of supporting an argument. It is merely the Daily Mail with longer words. The country is yet again being fed poisonous illusions by the press and evidently the public are lapping it up again. EIII, seriously, think about what's happening and what you're saying. Listen to that bloke who attacked Farron yesterday, and you will simply hear a stream of Sun and Daily Mail headlines, he's been brainwashed for 40 years, and he's not alone.
Empress Theresa has stated that the dinner leak was mere Brussels gossip initially, then all of a sudden a scurrilous and treacherous leak of real events. Which is it? It can't be both. It's either a fabrication and misrepresentation of events, or its is indeed evidence of conspiracy to do us harm.
Being in this country at the moment is like being in a building with the fire alarms going off at maximum volume, and hardly anyone is hearing it and carrying on partying, drunk on nationalism and dreams of non-existent enemies. For crying out loud, this is all what WE asked for, WE knew the rules before we started but chose to ignore them in the deluded hope that we'd be able to have things all our own way. This is OUR problem, entirely of our own making, the EU is not even remotely interested in how big May's majority is, other than Michel Barnier having stated that he actually favours an increased Tory majority to give May the power to soften the UK's approach.
I am horrified at May's accusations, she is humiliating us with our nearest and most valued allies in order to rouse the rabble and have her victory. I will not be fooled.
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Post by Hofmeister on May 4, 2017 10:10:03 GMT
A quick question; What would be the downside of an ineffectual coalition that didn't have the power to significantly interfere with anything? The idea is quite growing on me. Like the last Lib/Con coalition you mean? It was very stabilising at a time it was needed.
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Post by Hofmeister on May 4, 2017 10:18:58 GMT
The problem is that the EU is so determined to give the UK a hard time it has forgotten that we are a huge trading partner and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own. As someone wrote in the DT this morning, he voted remain, but is so appalled at the EU attitude, he is no longer upset about leaving. I think that they really are going to cut off their own nose to spite their face. This is a real pity, but membership at any price is a price not worth paying. Many retainers like me voted with a firmly held nose to remain, understanding that however dreadful the EU is, the alternative was worse. Now many of us are not so sure. Europe is held ransom by Germany. Not something I want. I'm sorry Espada, but that is complete Tosh. Its very simple. The EU is trying to explain that one can not leave, but continue to keep the keep the bits you fancy at no cost or effort. The problem is the majority of the press is, and always has been, anti EU. They have spent 50 years trying to sabotage it and are now fully into ensuring the divorce is messy. Specially the DT. Owned by blokes who bought and run a feudal society out of the reach of the EU but enjoying all the benefits. As far as Germany goes, they are probably our only friends in the EU with sufficient clout.
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Post by Alanović on May 4, 2017 11:18:26 GMT
The problem is that the EU is so determined to give the UK a hard time it has forgotten that we are a huge trading partner and if it ruins our economy, it will damage their own. No. The problem is that certain characters in the EU establishment (and sadly some of the more vocal remainers in the UK) still seem to think that they can reverse the result by making threats and throwing abuse at the brexiteers. The idiots don't (or maybe they do) understand that that approach will only harden opinion and push more people into the leave camp. The more you push and disparage UK Joe Public the more likely you are to get an F-Off and a bloody nose. Is there any evidence of these threats and abuse coming from the EU? Reichsfuhrer May didn't quote any or name anyone, do you have any sources? Threats and abuse from vocal remainers even? Where? What on Earth can a remainer even threaten now? To blow a wet raspberry? Nope, I just see the vocal remain side arguing that we should have a further say in the matter once the brexit deal is concluded. This GE is no say in brexit as the government aren't publishing their plan.
Opinion is being hardened and people are being pushed in to the Leave camp by thin air, printed in their trusted "news" sources like The Sun, Daily Mail, Express and Daily Telegraph. They're being had. Qui bono? CCHQ.
Wake up, everyone. We're being sailed down the pan for absolutely nothing but Tory Party unity.
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Post by WDB on May 4, 2017 11:24:13 GMT
Sorry, Espada, but it's a thumbs-down from me too. I don't need to repeat Vić's demolition, but if you think the EU is unhealthily dominated by Germany, why has Germany been the country most vocal in regretting the UK's choice to leave?
The EU team are within their rights to express what they have. They know the processes because it's their job to; May and Davis are busking and it shows.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:17:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 16:50:38 GMT
Well all of you,, read Article 50. Negotiations are meant to happen in parallel about the leaving mechanism and the future. But the EU are ignoring that and saying we need to sort out the divorce first.
Listen, I don't want to leave the EU any more than the rest of you, but given the size of our economy you would think that some sensible thinking was going on in Brussels. Instead you have various people really having a go, instead of thinking ".... Why did they vote leave? What have we done to cause this?"
So, I'm not a Daily Mail reader. I want what is in the documents and a fair process.
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