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Post by WDB on Dec 13, 2020 12:56:56 GMT
Are the rabid ones Continental travellers like you, T&E, or more partial to Great Yarmouth and Leigh on Solent?
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 13, 2020 13:16:02 GMT
...oddly enough, though there is a smattering of "Little Englanders", a significant number spend time (and sometimes a significant length of time) touring abroad.
There does seem to be an inability amongst them to put a coherent argument together though (and frankly, though I probably shouldn't be so judgemental, that appears to be common to their posts on just about any subject). Cognitive disonance in large helpings. References to WW2 (over before any of them were born) are common, as are references such as only being able to have the Covid vaccine early in the UK because we are now out of the UK. (Thanks to Matt Hancock's (lying toad) statement to that effect which has been comprehensively debunked by the head of the MHRA - we could do it under EU rules, and are still under EU rules for these matters during transition anyway).
I see they've decided to carry on dancing round the handbags in Brussels; time to sh*t and get off the pot, I think.
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Post by Avant on Dec 13, 2020 17:17:56 GMT
One of the joys of this forum is the regular need for a new page. So you can start looking at a thread at the top of a page with no idea of what has gone before. It's a bit like overhearing a snippet of a conversation in a public place such as a train or bus.
"Are the rabid ones Continental travellers like you?" is a classic example of same.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 21:28:58 GMT
Nothing like a cry of "Ready the gunboats" to ensure cordial talks or negotiations.
Still, it'll be the nasty EU fault again when that goes wrong. They must be some turbo charged boats to cover all the UK coast line, while the French fishermen keep them busy in the English channel can't imagine Putin taking advantage from the North. Happy days.
Weren't the UK and French governments in agreement to share an aircraft carrier ? How will that work ? If you crash your car into your own garage and damage another car inside the garage you can't claim against yourself (don't ask how I know this, just don't go there). Boris won't be able to launch the aircraft carrier against the joint owners or leasers or whatever. NATO on NATO.
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 13, 2020 22:23:20 GMT
Weren't the UK and French governments in agreement to share an aircraft carrier ? I think the plan was to lend them the leaky one (until it was discovered they both did  ) I also understand that, of the four "gunboats" readied, we can only really put two to sea at any one time (but that should be enough to take back control, shouldn't it? After all, those Europeans don't like it up 'em). |
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 13, 2020 23:15:18 GMT
So the politicians kick the can down the road for a few more days. Can’t imagine that they’ll be sitting at any negotiating tables from 24th December. Can’t imagine they’ll be any sort of agreement by New Years Eve. So I guess the prevarication will somehow linger on in to 2021...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 8:49:07 GMT
Perhaps there will be an extension to the transition period, only it won't be called an extension. It will be something along the lines of, well, it's no-deal, but for the first 3-6 months we're not going to implement the new rules so that business and ports can be ready. During that time, maybe something will turn up, like the entire Parliamentary Tory party is wiped out in an freak yachting accident and someone rational takes charge.
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 14, 2020 13:27:22 GMT
Or maybe Bosch, BMW, VAG and Mercedes will tell Merket to stick a hot poker up Macron's backside and tell him to get stuffed with his froggy fishermen. The perpetual actions of French ATC or trawlermen who think they have a right to everything that is not their's is revolting and in many ways a lot of people voted to leave to stick it to the French. The Dutch don't block their own harbours, not the Spanish or Belgians..
There was an interesting article in the DT last week about whether Britain was ever right to join and De Gaulle was right to say Non! I disagree, as the benefits are clearly there for all to see, but it is rather peeving that despite the UK following the rules the EU was incapable of forcing the French to behave and force them to break the blockades of their own ports by their own citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 13:32:42 GMT
We've been waiting 4 and a half years for the German car manufacturers/Italian Prosecco makers/Swedish furniture manufacturers/French wine producers/Spanish straw donkey weavers to get the hot pokers out. That they have still failed to do so, with 17 days to go until no-deal Brexit happens by automatic operation of law, may give some clue as to whether they are likely to have a rummage behind their sofas for their pokers in that remaining 17 days. One might even come to the conclusion that claims these industries would force the EU's hands, as made by such luminaries as Michael Gove (never knowingly right about anything), were, in fact, absolutely worthless.
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Post by WDB on Dec 14, 2020 14:44:05 GMT
The Telegraph, and its former Brussels ‘correspondent’ (or should that be co-respondent?) have a lot to answer for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:07:27 GMT
Rumblings today that a "trade deal" may, after all, be on the cards, with the indolent haystack giving way on level playing field, and the EU reciprocating with something about bloody fish. Never has a country ever negotiated itself a worse trading relationship with its nearest and most important market, and to such a degree that it has even diminished trading terms within its own boundaries in to the bargain.
This is such a catastrophic failure of government that in normal times we'd be hanging them out to dry.
We must now do whatever it takes to remove these clowns from government at the earliest opportunity and hand it over to someone who will rebuild our position and trading relationships to something equating our previous privileged standing. I never, ever want to hear, ever again, from anyone, that the Tory party were the "best available option". What more evidence do we need to refute that nonsense.
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Post by commerdriver on Dec 14, 2020 15:25:12 GMT
The mistake you always have made on these, Al is to base anything on what "would" have happened. Just as big a mistake to judge as you are doing now on what is going to happen. Judge in a year or two on what did happen.
The real truth is that last year we did not need an election, if the remainer politicians has got themselves organised we could still be in the EU and likely to remain so.
Boris did not have a majority in parliament, and the crappy remainer politicians did not have the naus to compromise between themselves, they chose to have an election
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:45:13 GMT
That much is true, yes. There should not have been an election. But given that there was, regrettably, voting Tory was in no way "the best available option". It is not hindsight to say so, I said it at the time, and I've said it on here recently - we, the electorate, should have spotted our politicans' mistake and should all have had the "naus" as you put it to try to elect a non-Tory MP in as many seats as possible. That's why I vote swapped with someone in Guildford who wanted to vote Labour, but had a chance to unseat a Tory by voting LibDem. Sadly, the "naus" of the electorate wasn't up to it, evidently. On any reading of events, voting Tory was tantamount to voting for no-deal, or as near to it as it's possible to get. Any other government would have steered a far less damaging course on this - the only matter which really counted in December 2019.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:39:25 GMT
The real truth is that last year we did not need an election, if the remainer politicians has got themselves organised we could still be in the EU and likely to remain so. That looks like a blame shifting statement. If Cameron had setup the referendum correctly in the first place with a clear majority required, if the government of the day had not chosen to implement the result of a non-binding referendum if, if, if. I don't see the UK getting back in during the remainder of my life time even if they wanted to. The French will make sure of that with their veto card. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 17:15:51 GMT
Or maybe Bosch, BMW, VAG and Mercedes will tell Merket to stick a hot poker up Macron's backside and tell him to get stuffed with his froggy fishermen. The perpetual actions of French ATC or trawlermen who think they have a right to everything that is not their's is revolting and in many ways a lot of people voted to leave to stick it to the French. The Dutch don't block their own harbours, not the Spanish or Belgians.. There was an interesting article in the DT last week about whether Britain was ever right to join and De Gaulle was right to say Non! I disagree, as the benefits are clearly there for all to see, but it is rather peeving that despite the UK following the rules the EU was incapable of forcing the French to behave and force them to break the blockades of their own ports by their own citizens. I think you are taking too much of what is written in the British press as gospel. As Mutti said at the beginning of Brexit negotiations, and has reminded on several occasions since, she is not negotiating Brexit, that is between the UK government and the EU. The idea of divide and conquer by trying to play individual governments against one another was a non-starter for Gove and Boris, as much as they'd have liked to do so, as the EU had already shut the door on that by agreeing to a single negotiation team.
Did the people of Manchester do as they were told by Westminster ? People will do what they feel is the right thing regardless of what politicians think.
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