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Post by Rob on Nov 25, 2016 19:50:42 GMT
If it had auto hold then touching the brakes will apply auto-hold. Otherwise it should creep like a torque converter.
That's a good thing surely?
We you wearing the seatbelt? If not then it would not auto release.
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Post by manatee on Nov 25, 2016 20:51:14 GMT
I'm sure it's all perfectly logical Rob. I just didn't expect to have much trouble jumping in an unfamiliar car.
Not sure whether it has auto-hold, I expect so, even the Roomie has it and the A6 is a 3.0 diesel Avant Quattro with everything else that opens and shuts; touching the brake certainly disengaged the clutch. No perceptible creep but then I was pointing up a slope.
I don't expect an auto to start unless it's in N or P, and moving out of P usually needs a brake press so asking me to press the brake to start it seems a bit nanny.
No, I wasn't wearing the seat belt to begin with. After it wouldn't auto release I tried to take it off with the switch, but it was having none of that either. I put the belt on, pressed the footbrake, crossed my fingers, and threw some imaginary salt over my shoulder. One or more of those worked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 20:55:50 GMT
>>Hillman Hunter that had the handbrake on the right.
I had forgotten that, in between the seat and the door, what a royal pain that was. Otherwise I liked that car. 1725cc I think, white with red vinyl seats. Them were the days.
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Post by sooty on Nov 25, 2016 21:10:45 GMT
The latest citroen vans have got them on the right hand side as well. Incredibly annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 22:17:39 GMT
It doesn't matter how many rear brake lights you have, if the driver behind is facebooking or whatever they will use the rear of your car to keep them out of harm's way.
BMW 5 series nipped in front of the car in front of me braking hard and eating up that cars braking space, I slowed enough to leave a gap, little miss Facebook didn't.
Front and rear cameras in my car gave the police all they needed. BMW driver will get a surprise when the police turn up.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 28, 2016 9:37:43 GMT
When I had a DSG (Touran, 5-spd) it used to creep, just like a TC auto. No problem manoeuvring/fine control at all. Do the latest ones not creep any more?
I appear to have been mistaken about my brake lights. I looked again over the weekend and when I pop it in to neutral with the brake hold on, the lights remain illuminated. Oh well.
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Post by commerdriver on Nov 28, 2016 12:49:16 GMT
>> Hillman Hunter that had the handbrake on the right.
From the same era as the Hunter, the one on the Commer is the same, it works on the front wheels
The best option is the electronic one I have on the Golf very easy to use.
I may change my opinion if it fails.
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Post by Rob on Nov 28, 2016 13:18:59 GMT
I've had EPB on the Audi A3 and Passat CC. Worked fine and I have no problem with them. Auto releases without a problem. The CC also had auto hill hold so would apply brakes and then it would hold without the need for the EPB.... but occasionally would release itself if you'd been waiting a while.
The DSG equipped A3 creeps fine for manoeuvring. The first DSG car I tried was a Passat CC and I didn't get on with it for parking and assumed it was the DSG not creeping like a torque converter auto. Afterwards I figured out it was auto hold applying when I touched the brakes and I should have turned off auto hold.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:42:28 GMT
I've had EPB on the Audi A3 and Passat CC. Worked fine and I have no problem with them. Auto releases without a problem. The CC also had auto hill hold so would apply brakes and then it would hold without the need for the EPB.... but occasionally would release itself if you'd been waiting a while. The DSG equipped A3 creeps fine for manoeuvring. The first DSG car I tried was a Passat CC and I didn't get on with it for parking and assumed it was the DSG not creeping like a torque converter auto. Afterwards I figured out it was auto hold applying when I touched the brakes and I should have turned off auto hold. Rob, Hill Hold is only applied for 2-3 seconds. It will release after a short time. If you need longer, then the manufacturers expect you to apply the handbrake (mechanical or electronic). On my E350 (as instructed by Humph) there are two modes. Traditional hill hold where the car knows you are on a hill, so holds the car for 2-3 seconds if you apply the brakes normally. Then there is a permanent HOLD function which requires you to mash the pedal into the carpet when stationary and a big HOLD sign appears on the dash. This is released by pressing the accelerator. |
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Post by WDB on Nov 28, 2016 18:59:35 GMT
...or the brake, which I prefer. Not keen on the idea that an inadvertent touch on the accelerator might be enough to launch the car forward. Smoother takeoff with the brake too.
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Post by Rob on Nov 28, 2016 20:05:43 GMT
>> Hill Hold is only applied for 2-3 seconds.
No it was applied for much longer - at least measured in several minutes. It was not seconds. I had the car for 3 years. I should know. :-)
VW don't call it hill hold. They call it auto hold.
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Post by WDB on Nov 28, 2016 21:34:03 GMT
Different makes, different implementations. My BMW has the 3-second hill hold, which is useful in a manual but redundant in a TC auto like the E. Conversely, the 3's convenient, hand-operated 'hand' brake makes a pedal-operated long hold unnecessary.
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Post by manatee on Nov 28, 2016 23:31:28 GMT
When I had a DSG (Touran, 5-spd) it used to creep, just like a TC auto. No problem manoeuvring/fine control at all. Do the latest ones not creep any more? I appear to have been mistaken about my brake lights. I looked again over the weekend and when I pop it in to neutral with the brake hold on, the lights remain illuminated. Oh well. I am unused to the A6, it isn't my car and it wasn't my wall either, but parking the Roomie up to our garage door is just the same. They both creep, but not uphill and use of the accelerator makes them set off too quickly as the clutch bites according to its own ideas. Touch the brake to control the speed and it puts the clutch out. Touch the accelerator again and you might, or not, find that hill hold has engaged and it may or may not set off with a lurch. It's the difference between the driver deciding what the car is going to do, and the car deciding. For point and squirt drivers who use the accelerator and brake as on/off switches they are probably fine. Same with your brake lights - you have been trying to work out what your car is doing outside of your control. Of course one can inure oneself to anything, and practice makes it easier. I can live with DSG if the car is generally what I want, but it is a compromise and not IMO set up for a "driver" in either of the examples I have driven. I would rather not have the hill hold feature, it's a blasted nuisance because it's unpredictable. I heel and toe anyway I can see why DSG and similar systems might be seen as a worthwhile compromise - a sort of auto, with lower fuel usage and emissions than the ones that work better. Some innovations such as parking sensors actually make operating the machine easier. A lot of the other stuff is just the marketing arms race. Hill hold, auto lights and wipers, and EPBs just irritations. I'm just glad I don't have lane guidance and blind spot sensors. The self-driving car I would find useful when I am too far gone to do it myself, but I bet they won't be ready when I need one. Meanwhile, I can do without the interference. |
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