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Post by Rob on Nov 21, 2016 16:59:44 GMT
My Audi works flawlessly with this too. Put on EPB and leave it in drive. Engine will cut out and stay off until you go to pull away and it restarts, re-engages the gears and releases the parking brake.
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Post by Humph on Nov 21, 2016 17:14:45 GMT
I still, irrationally enough maybe, mistrust stop start systems. Having started my driving life with cars which needed pleading with or swearing at before they would start and which you really didn't want to turn off until you were sure your journey was complete, the thought of one that randomly does it itself still gives me the shivers.
The Merc does it but I don't like it and quite often switch the system off. Sorry about the ice cap and so on, but what if it won't start again? What then eh, they don't tell you that do they, no they chuffing don't, and then where would you be eh? Pah !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:20:54 GMT
You mean your Merc wouldn't phone home and get the Butler to come out and fix it? What poverty spec hell is that company subjecting you too ? Downgraded from a 250 to a 220, stop/start anxiety, still you can grow tomatoes in it with the greenhouse lid. 😂
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Post by Avant on Nov 21, 2016 18:22:10 GMT
I just find stop/start irritating, and routinely turn it off every time I start a journey. It's worse on an automatic, where braking and stopping triggers it; with a manual, if it's a short stop, such as coming out of a minor road, you can keep the clutch disengaged and the engine doesn't stop. And I don't believe it actually saves very much fuel.
Just about everybody else has brake-lights lit at traffic lights, so I don't feel too strongly about it. I put on the parking brake if it looks like a long stop, but as Volvo have elected to site it by my right knee, I don;t put it on as much as perhaps I should. With some cars, like the VW Golf, the EPB comes on automatically when the car stops. Sounds like a good idea, although I haven't seen how well it works in practice.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 21, 2016 18:33:27 GMT
as Volvo have elected to site it by my right knee, I don;t put it on as much as perhaps I should. The site and use of the Volvo EPB is monumentally useless. Wrong place, poor ergonomics, completely unintuitive has you blindly jabbing and pulling and holding up the traffic queue. I only use it from time to time to keep it working.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:40:24 GMT
The Volvo button has been moved in the newer cars (90s) back to the middle.
I use mine a lot in my S60, only need to push the button to apply it, a quick blip on the throttle and release the clutch disengages it automatically, no need to bother with the button to release it.
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Post by Humph on Nov 21, 2016 19:18:18 GMT
You mean your Merc wouldn't phone home and get the Butler to come out and fix it? What poverty spec hell is that company subjecting you too ? Downgraded from a 250 to a 220, stop/start anxiety, still you can grow tomatoes in it with the greenhouse lid. 😂 I know, it's a sair fecht. 😕
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 20:00:38 GMT
as Volvo have elected to site it by my right knee, I don;t put it on as much as perhaps I should. The site and use of the Volvo EPB is monumentally useless. Wrong place, poor ergonomics, completely unintuitive has you blindly jabbing and pulling and holding up the traffic queue. I only use it from time to time to keep it working. The EPB in the XJ engages and disengages automatically when the gearshift is moved in or out of Park. The switch to operate it manually is located on the transmission tunnel behind the gearshift. You don't even need to move your arm from the armrest to operate it. Same as this pic of one on S-Type looking from above tinyurl.com/jp6p6esDamn things are totally useless if you need a handbrake turn to get away from the bad guys though.
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Post by Rob on Nov 21, 2016 20:31:13 GMT
If you have a VAG car with auto-hold then it will come on automatically when you stop and turn off the ignition etc. Unless you're not wearing your seatbelt when you turn off the engine. Which then means the parking brake won't come on automatically even though it's on auto-hold.
So you could say stop the car (car held on brakes), take off the seat belt... then turn off the car. And whereas it would usually engage the EPB... it won't. So when you step out you might need to get back in quickly. Been there and done that :-)
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 21, 2016 20:33:18 GMT
Damn things are totally useless if you need a handbrake turn to get away from the bad guys though. The jag always gets caught by the ropey old ford granada anyway.
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Post by Humph on Nov 21, 2016 21:48:13 GMT
Not before they have both driven through piles of empty cardboard boxes, shouted "you're nicked you slag" to the driver of the Jag, muttered "easy Guv" to the driver of the Granada and the Jag has been driven into and out again of an abandoned warehouse.
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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 23, 2016 16:19:45 GMT
The BMW 220i Gran whatsit I borrowed did everything Esp describes, but smoothly stopped and restarted the engine too. Ho-hum car but a brilliantly implemented system. ...I would have thought that would use the same system as my X1, and as I've posted above, on mine the intuitive approach of using the EPB and taking one's foot off the foot brake causes the (stopped) start/stop to restart. The manual recommends shifting the transmission to "P" with foot still on the brake, then releasing the brake, which doesn't restart the engine. Foot back on the brake, and transmission back to "D" and the engine restarts. Doesn't seem quite as intuitive as using the EPB, but may be a bit kinder on the transmission (and, now back from London, I've tried it and can confirm that it works). Start/stop as implemented is almost imperceptible in use (other than the fact it is obvious it has stopped, of course - when it doesn't stop, for its own reasons, such as high electrical drain from recent start (heated seats, etc.), it is even more noticeable )
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Post by WDB on Nov 23, 2016 22:13:39 GMT
Can't remember off hand, T&E, whether your X1 is an i or a d. The Tourer I had was an i, and did the stop-start so smoothly that I'd been driving it for half a day before I noticed it at all. If yours is a d then maybe that explains the difference. But I don't get the idea of putting the transmission into a mode that's intended for when the car is parked and empty, just because you're waiting at the lights.
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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 23, 2016 22:25:40 GMT
It's an i but the owners' manual is common with the d.
Can't say I disagree re: the counter-intuitiveness, but that is how it is.
I'd like to be able to slip the epb on and take my foot off the brake, but that doesn't do the trick.
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Post by manatee on Nov 25, 2016 19:18:06 GMT
I was at my daughter's earlier and I had to move the cars around. Starting and driving my Outlander is exactly the same procedure as every other manual car I've owned in 40 years, except for a Hillman Hunter that had the handbrake on the right. Moving my daughter's A6 was like a Krypton factor exercise. Keyless. EPB. Stop-start. And to top it off, DSG, with which it is impossible to drive up close to a wall with fine control and any confidence at all even with parking sensors to tell you how close you are.
It wouldn't start until I put my foot on the brake; to be fair it was telling me this in the information display, but why would I be looking at that? I expected the EPB to release when I engaged D and pressed pedal, but it didn't, and neither did the switch release it. I had to press the brake again. Then when I stopped, so did the engine. At this point I was ready to jack it in.
I prevailed in the end, and no doubt when one is inculcated it is all a labour saving dream, but I can see why a lot of people have problems and I wonder how many minor prangs these distracting and irritating innovations have caused.
N. Ludd.
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