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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 18:56:10 GMT
Perhaps I am weird, but I find "that is utter rubbish" far less insulting.
One is attacking my opinions, the other my standards and behaviour. The difference between "your opinions are crap" and "you are crap".
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Post by Humph on Apr 14, 2022 20:23:17 GMT
Let’s all stay nice shall we. It’s kind of what we do here isn’t it? Thanks! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 21:30:52 GMT
I'm always nice. I'm known for it.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 16, 2022 1:25:12 GMT
I see the problem is that the “Western World” doesn’t appreciate how good it’s got it. Relative wealth, prosperity, safety... whereas much of the rest of the planet isn’t faring so well. Hence there will always be millions of people trying to migrate to improve their lot. Who can blame them ultimately? Doesn’t matter what you call them; they are just people trying to improve their lot.
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Post by WDB on Apr 16, 2022 8:05:03 GMT
You can certainly hear that in boomers’ bleat that “I’ve worked for everything I have.” Well, did you work for all that unearned income, the unrepeatable asset-price bubble, the mortgage interest relief at source, the massive release of underpriced public assets when Thatcher sold off council houses? And, above all, did you work for the 71 years of peace in Europe that made all this possible, before you voted to disrupt it in 2016?
We have it very good and very easy here. We can afford to share more than we do.
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Post by bpg on Apr 16, 2022 10:34:37 GMT
Did any of you also hear the clink of false teeth hitting china this morning as Daily Express land read WdB comment?
People in well off lands do not share.
I recall discussing self-drive cars with colleagues in Germany and how people would have the ability to car share more easily the commute to the office. The look on some faces you'd think I'd asked to sleep with their wife and daughter.
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Post by bromptonaut on Apr 16, 2022 12:06:22 GMT
Refugees are a different category. It is clear from the media who are the people fleeing life threatening situations. Every one else is an economic migrant Does the media treat all conflicts equally? Does an escapee from rubble that was Aleppo get same rights in the UK as an escapee from the rubble that was Mariupol? Also, if you do a Venn diagram for Refugees and Economic Migrants the overlap will be considerable...
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Post by bromptonaut on Apr 16, 2022 15:43:28 GMT
If your family was suffering persecution in a social and political hell hole who would you expect to undertake a perilous journey to somewhere safe. (a) young men (b) women (c) children If my mother / wife / sister / daughter was suffering in a social and political hell hole who would you expect me to leave behind? If I simply wanted a better life *then* I would expect the young man to go ahead first. And that is one example at least of the difference between the position of a refugee (fleeing for safety) and an economic migrant (rather be somewhere else) You're a clever and well travelled man, you know the situation as well as I do. We can all distort it with such examples. I don't think I'm distorting anything, though I think some of your earlier posts proposing solutions and then blaming media etc for their failure may do. Arriving without documentation is what happens when you've escaped your ravaged homeland. Those who fail to qualify for asylum, a process specifically designed to separate goats in fear ot persecution form economically migrating sheep, should be sent home though for various reasons it does not always happen. The process needs to be streamlined but with fairness and proper rights of appeal at the centre. No decision by government of any significance whatsoever should be without a right to appeal. Basic Human Rights stuff. As regards leaving women and children behind while young fit males go out and fight or scout is surely common in ALL human societies. Crossing the Sahara, then the Med and finally the channel, all clandestinely, is very risky. Even those who die in the Channel, probably the most surveilled open sea in the world may leave bodies that are never found; the Sahara (or the mountains of Afghanistan) are way more risky. The women folk may be better off keeping their heads down at home until Asylum for their men is granted and leave for a reunion is possible. Also, of course, refugees and eco-migrants are not a binary issue; a Venn diagram would show some considerable overlap.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 17, 2022 22:33:46 GMT
I read an article somewhere over the weekend about the Poles who are helping Ukrainian refugees, whilst barely 100 miles away other Poles are being arrested and charged for helping illegal immigrants enter the country from Belarus... An odd state of affairs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 9:55:24 GMT
Looking forward to Mr Johnson's statement in the Commons today.
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Post by WDB on Apr 19, 2022 15:51:19 GMT
You and millions of others. He’s 20 minutes late so far.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:51:11 GMT
Nothing says contrition like turning up late for your apology.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 12:42:28 GMT
The jig is looking upper and upper as the minutes trickle past...Steve Baker now calling for the PM to stand down in today's Parliamentary debate (utter tw@ that he is, he's finally come to the correct answer on this subject). Surely a leadership election is now a matter of when, not if. And, I are terrify of who the party blue rinses will choose now, it could be even worserer, hard to imagine tho it is. Clearly the least worst option is Tom Tugendhat, so that's him out of the running.
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Post by WDB on Apr 21, 2022 13:33:09 GMT
I wonder how much of this is due to the contents of backbenchers’ inboxes since the sorry-I-got-caught performance on Tuesday. My emails carry no weight with our donkey — although they do consume his time, which is gratifying — but if the bungalows have been writing in too, perhaps he had his own little brown-trousers moment. Those with the thin majorities of the 2019 intake are thinking that two years may not be long enough to live this scandal down.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 14:19:34 GMT
Well if Johnson's chickens don't come home to roost this week, I think it's safe to say they never will. He's clearly never going to resign over anything, and any hope of the rest of the Parliamentary party shifting him is evaporating.
So OK. If that's how they want it. Let's be having Starmer v Johnson at the next GE then, assuming Starmer doesn't get that mooted fine. Might actaully be the best thing all round, best chance to get rid of the Tories.
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