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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 18:58:14 GMT
Surely to God Johnson is not going to get away with this? No baying media, no stories other than a few laughs about Catherine Tate Nadine Dorries on a day when I expected them to be dancing on his grave.
Or is the total lack of news about him, parties and stupid lying bastards just down to an ongoing Police investigation?
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Post by Rob on Feb 1, 2022 19:01:20 GMT
I hope it's just down to the delayed report and the police investigation. I do like that Beastie Boy tribute video with Boris in it. Very funny.
How can anyone think it's okay for him to lie - let us not forget he lied to the Queen when proroguing parliament. If he gets away with this we'll be even a greater laughing stock in the eyes of other democracies. There should be a way to 'fire' a prime minister, e.g. something triggers because not meeting the standards and the 'Queen or representative' can tell him to go.
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Post by bpg on Feb 1, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
He'll get away with it because there is no longer any shame. It's always someone else's fault, no one specifically told him no. The Conservative party is the Alzheimer's party. Read the comments section of the Daily Express or Daily Mail, they all say the same thing, can we just forget about the parties and get on with Brexit. These people may have home schooled the future leaders of the country 😥  |
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Post by dixinormus on Feb 2, 2022 1:51:02 GMT
Agree with bpg. Boris is riding out the storm. What’s he got to lose anyway? Half of the electorate have either moved on now, or just don’t care enough.
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Post by WDB on Feb 2, 2022 7:40:05 GMT
YouGov reports 63 percent yesterday wanted Johnson to resign. Not sure that’s what ‘moving on’ looks like. Even among his over-55 base, they put his support at just 40 percent.
Let’s be clear, these parties are far from the worst thing he’s done. But they’ve got through to people who somehow didn’t notice the illegal prorogation, or the sewage in the rivers, or the handouts to cronies, or the Paterson affair, or even the number painted on that bus. But he’s lied to parliament about this one, an indisputable resigning offence, so we’ll take what we can get to get rid of him.
I also suspect the police want more time because they are investigating offences that go beyond fixed-penalty notices; my money's on conspiracy to pervert the course of justice because people have destroyed evidence.
And let’s please stop using the ‘Boris’ persona. It’s what he wants because it indulges his idea that he’s something special and different, and that little people’s rules don’t apply to him. Johnson is a parasite and we need him gone.
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Post by bpg on Feb 2, 2022 8:53:55 GMT
He must be history, the Daily Mail AND Daily Express have turned:
Edit: The Daily Telegraph goes with "HRT to be sold over the counter"   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 9:32:04 GMT
I hope it's just down to the delayed report and the police investigation. I do like that Beastie Boy tribute video with Boris in it. Very funny. How can anyone think it's okay for him to lie - let us not forget he lied to the Queen when proroguing parliament. If he gets away with this we'll be even a greater laughing stock in the eyes of other democracies. There should be a way to 'fire' a prime minister, e.g. something triggers because not meeting the standards and the 'Queen or representative' can tell him to go. An elected Head of State (Irish style, not US/French style) would be a good idea, perhaps. But yes, Johnson will survive this, sadly. Nothing but a General Election defeat will bring him down. And now I'm starting to woinder how he's going to rig that. What a mess. Why did nobody warn us...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 13:20:40 GMT
Obviously the media are very excited about Johnson and his behaviour, but as far as I can tell speaking with cousins and the like people think he's in the wrong, even think he should resign, but don't seem to actually *care* very much.
Perhaps its just an inevitable results of 50 years of rubbish politicians lowering expectations and 2 years of the Apocalypse lowering interest.
If (surely when) Johnson goes, it's not like we're going to get anybody better, from any party. I think all we can hope for is less annoying.
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Post by WDB on Feb 2, 2022 14:15:33 GMT
Starmer is excellent — as was Brown — at being on top of the brief. But he has the problem of not being ‘inspiring’ or ‘charismatic’. Given the types who typically do get those labels, it’s something I’d happily live with. But it will, of course, require an election in which Starmer will face the full fury of the Tory-controlled media.
In the meantime, we have the prospect of another hard-right child of privilege in Sunak, one of Johnson’s clueless lieutenants in Truss or Raaaab, or, just possibly, an old-school considerate Tory (!) in Tugendhat or Hunt. It’s come to something when a former Health Secretary who believes in homeopathy looks like the grownup in the field. It’ll probably come down to who the 2019 intake think will fit best into the ‘Red Wall’ — which case the obvious choice is Edward Leigh, who already looks like one of the bricks.
Can we have an election, please?
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Post by bromptonaut on Feb 2, 2022 14:47:59 GMT
If (surely when) Johnson goes, it's not like we're going to get anybody better, from any party. I think all we can hope for is less annoying. Not sure I'd share that. As WDB points out Hunt and Tugendhat both look reasonable people. I would also, as you might expect shout for Starmer. Does he need charisma? Major lacked that as did May. One of the best PMs of the Twentieth Century was Attlee; a man who knew his brief and how to get it done. Johnson's slur over Savile was way off beam. There were three or four complainants who popped up very late in Savile's life with 'historic' allegations. None were willing to give evidence alone; Police in Surrey/Sussex, arguably with reason, 'bigged up' the challenges they'd face in the witness box. The error in CPS was not to let each know there were others; it's just possible that strength in numbers might have got them to pursue their complaints. The true scale of Savile's offending only emerged posthumously. CPS were entirely justified in pursuing Journalists who were paying Police for stories. I normally respect the Times's Tom Newton-Dunne but he's a chump for trying to claim being pursued did for his friend and mentor and that somehow Starmer has blood on his hands. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 2, 2022 15:25:57 GMT
Everyone I speak to says Johnson's lack of attention to the rules and condoing or at the very least not stopping parties is extremely poor behaviour but no one seems to want any one else to be PM. There are no takers for Starmer who is featureless and views on the various Tories are mixed.
If there was a General Election now my real worry would be a parliament held to ransom by Sturgeon. That would destroy the UK and the economy within a year. I suspect that many people feel the same and that only someone like Boris can hold her at bay. Starmer hasn't the balls.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 16:04:53 GMT
>>I would also, as you might expect shout for Starmer. Does he need charisma? Major lacked that as did May. One of the best PMs of the Twentieth Century was Attlee; a man who knew his brief and how to get it done.
My doubt about Starmer would be the extent to which his own party would continue to support him. I think they'd undermine him very quickly, so we probably wouldn't get Starmer for any length of time. If I thought he could last the term and carry his decisions through his own party, then I'd be quite happy with him. I doubt both though.
>>Johnson's slur over Savile was way off beam
Just rubbish, schoolboy bollocks. One could not attribute any serious blame or negligence to Starmer. A ridiculous comment which well deserved the level of defense that Nadine Dorries gave it.
>>CPS were entirely justified in pursuing Journalists who were paying Police for stories.
It's ridiculous to put it forward as an either/or scenario. Pursuing one has no bearing on the other. And I'm all for anything which reasonably holds journalists to account.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 16:09:42 GMT
>>Everyone I speak to says Johnson's lack of attention to the rules and condoning or at the very least not stopping parties is extremely poor behaviour but no one seems to want any one else to be PM.
It's not so much what Johnson does that bothers me, though that's bad enough, it's his attitude to it all. He seems to have this inner belief that he is under no moral duty to follow the rules, that all he neds to do is either hide it or come up with a good excuse. Kind of like a badly behaved and self-centred child who believes that it's all a matter of what one can get away with, not what one should or should not do.
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Post by WDB on Feb 2, 2022 17:24:19 GMT
If there was a General Election now my real worry would be a parliament held to ransom by Sturgeon. How? She’d command at most 59 seats out of 650. |
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Post by Rob on Feb 2, 2022 22:12:20 GMT
>> Kind of like a badly behaved and self-centred child who believes that it's all a matter of what one can get away with
I think that sums him up. He has to go.
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