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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 9:54:45 GMT
As many will know I finally got tired of chasing faults with my beloved old SAAB 9-5 2.2 TiD (there may be a thread about that car somewhere) a couple of months back, and decided to trade it in for a 2005 Mercedes E320 CDi estate.
It seemed like a good buy at the time, 100k miles, full service history, one private owner from new, £4.5k. Platinum blue, beige leather interior. Nice combo, really classy.
initial impressions were favourable, and yes I still admire and enjoy the car enormously. It is the most powerful thing I've ever owned (34th car I think since 1987), the best built, the 2nd most comfortable (miss the SAAB a bit on that one), an all round fantastic place to be when on the road.
A couple of weeks after purchasing it, I took it on the family holiday to France, destination being an 8 hour drive from Calais. On the way down and during the holiday, I noticed two things: first, it was starting to give the impression that the power wasn't *quite* being delivered smoothly from a stand still, especially with a cold engine (left overnight). Also, as I approached Rouen, we started a longish motorway climb and I asked for a bit of grunt to maintain speed and get past the lorries. Foot in the carpet, nothing. Even started to lose speed and by the time we hit the summit we're down to 60 from 80mph. No kickdown. Yikes, a limp mode. But no warnings on the dash. Rouen arrives and I pull over into a layby to see if a 'reboot' will clear the limp mode. I re-start the engine and pull away, big cloud of black smoke out of the back and we're away, no limp mode. Hooray. Maybe the EGR is dirty and needs cleaning thinks I.
Further down the road, and we get limp mode back. Argh. Another quick stop at an 'Aire', including comedy moment when the children refuse to go in the toilet block due to their lack of, er, well, hygiene to be frank, a restart and limp mode clears again only to reappear 20-odd miles short of destination.
Over the holiday I used the car a couple of times to do supermarket runs - no limp modes appeared but it did give me that impression of lacking smoothness when cold. Gear changes when cold are noticeable, which really shouldn't be the case on this car (auto).
The trip back home throws up a couple more limp modes, but home we get in one piece. No more black smoke events.
A visit to my local Mercedes indie ensues, who have the proper Mercedes STAR diagnostics system. They spend a day with the car, test drives and diagnostics done. Conclusion: two problems. Diagnostics show error codes relating to a position sensor in the turbo, which is an integral part to the turbo and can't be changed. Diagnosis: new turbo will be the only fix. This, however, would not explain the lack of smoothness from cold thing and this is diagnosed as most likely the torque converter starting to deteriorate. Indie bloke expresses surprise at the turbo issue as faults are apparently rare on my older, I6 OM648 engine, but are apparently endemic on the newer, V6 version (2006 onwards). The TC however, well those do tend to go apparently and he gets a lot through the workshop with the same symptoms and diagnosis.
So. Money. I purchased the car with a 6 month warranty - happily a warranty company which this indie uses themselves when they sell vehicles, so they have a good relationship with the warranty company. My warranty appears to cover the TC, so advice is to monitor for a while and come back before the warranty expires (mid December) to have this done. The warranty only covers up to £500, so I will have to go with a recon unit to have any chance of staying within that figure. Fair enough, it's an old car and brand new one will be about £1500 fitted. As for the turbo, well that's not covered by the warranty at all. So, a new one fitted, again about £1500, but I could get away with a recon for about £250 plus fitting, so about £500 in all. Again, advice is to monitor and come back if further limp modes are experienced to see if the fault codes still match, before taking the plunge on the turbo. Since then I'm using the car for my usual 25 mile each-way commute, but no limp modes have appeared yet. I'm putting this down to needing a longer run at constant high speed to trigger the mode, so I'm waiting to see what happens. Next really long drive I have is to Loch Lomond in October, we'll see what happens then, I suppose.
All in all not the greatest disaster known to mankind, but I just don't seem to get the luck at the moment with second hand vehicles, although of course our Mazda 6 seems invincible.......
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Post by Humph on Aug 12, 2016 10:14:45 GMT
Oh yuk, that's a pity. I guess you'll have to get the work done sometime. Hope it works out not too painfully. I guess the thing would be to decide now whether it's a keeper or not and go from there. If it is, then getting it up together now would seem to be a long term investment, if it's not, then cut and run I suppose.
Shame though, I thought you'd found a good one there. Maybe you have, could be just a couple of things to be sorted followed by years of good service you'd hope anyway.
Hope you enjoyed the hols. We did, but despite having only been back since the weekend it already feels like a long time ago !
Collecting my bike from the repairers later today. More or less trashed the running gear in France. All that sand and grit combined with a fair bit of use. In the end it has needed a new rear cassette, new chain, the front wheel trueing, the back brake bleeding and new pads and a new cassette in the bottom bracket...
I am hard on my bikes I suppose and I'd love to brag that the front wheel was damaged by a bit of lairy showboating but in fact it fell over in a wheel in bike rack when I was on a bin run ! Not quite as sexy a tale as I'd like it to be !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 10:21:53 GMT
I'm thinking sort it all out when the time comes and keep the car, pretty much in line with your thinking. Not much else to go wrong after those things, right? Right? Just the SBC pump..........
I think you need to get some disposable bicycle shaped objects for your French adventures.
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Post by Humph on Aug 12, 2016 10:28:03 GMT
Well, funny you should say that. We do have a shed full of old bikes and bits of them. Seriously considering taking old ones next year. As you will know, it's all pretty flat round there so you don't need fancy kit just something solid and reliable.
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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 12, 2016 11:36:29 GMT
ACE
A new tale to read. Its like waiting for the next Harry Potter. Not much else to go wrong? Today episode brought to you by the letter I, I for injectors.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 11:48:35 GMT
You're welcome.
Injectors would be a new one, even to me. Although thinking about it, the injector seals did go on the SAAB.......
What would be your suggestion for a large, automatic, 40+mpg estate car at under £5k? Let's say min 120bhp, ideally 150+.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 12:18:17 GMT
Screw the warranty, surely the Sales of Goods act is your friend here? The £500 limit isn't your problem.
Sooner rather than later though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 12:21:39 GMT
I'm not sure I'd win the SOG argument with the seller. Problems weren't apparent at time of sale. One of the faults is not manifesting currently.
Life's too short for the sake of what will hopefully only be a £500 hit.
Not only that, I don't want the selling garage working on the car. I want a Mercedes specialist with the correct STAR system to do it.
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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 12, 2016 14:38:48 GMT
What would be your suggestion for a large, automatic, 40+mpg estate car at under £5k? Let's say min 120bhp, ideally 150+. As the wise (after the event) old sage, sitting by the side of the road would say.. Ifn I were yous, I wouldn't start from there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 14:43:39 GMT
Yarrss, thought you might say something like that.
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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 12, 2016 14:45:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 14:54:34 GMT
Swoon. But I bet there isn't an auto. There isn't an auto, is there? Auto. I'd want an auto one. If there is an auto, I can most definitely see myself in one of those in the future. Did I mention it has to be auto?
I bet I'll be able to pick one up from Hertz for peanuts. They do direct sales now, from their big depots like Heathrow. The Marea I used to have was ex-Budget and was a terrific bargain.
Shame they're not bringing the saloon over here.
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Post by Humph on Aug 12, 2016 15:08:41 GMT
I was surprised, but perhaps on reflection shouldn't have been, at how many Laguna estates I saw running about in France. Unlike your one they all seemed to be going but maybe they have special ones for the domestic market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 15:13:18 GMT
Mine always "went" well. That was never the problem. All the peripheral electrics going haywire and the boot lid trying to eat me were more the issue.
I have had a close look at the Lagunas you see running about France. I don't see many which would count as anything more than poverty spec. That's the secret. As Uncle Zero will tell you. The UK goes all glassy eyed for toys and buttons and whizzbangs and buys more up-specced cars.
Mind you I always enjoy seeing the Vel Satiseses running around there too and they were pretty electrically flaky.
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Post by WDB on Aug 12, 2016 15:22:52 GMT
Saw several of the hefty but handsome big Renault saloon I now know to be called the Talisman, which turns out to be the length of an E. All were moving when we saw them; whether they still are is another question.
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