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Dec 15, 2021 10:33:22 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Dec 15, 2021 10:33:22 GMT
The problem of watching your team demolish another on (like City last night (7-0 against Leeds in case you didn't know)), is that after the excitement of seeing multiple goals go in, it is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. And then in the final five minutes when in a more normal game you might be chasing that goal to secure a win or salvage a draw, which is heart pounding stuff, it is more a case of 'Oh come on ref, put the buggers out of their misery and blow the whistle.' Bit of an anti-climax really... First world problems and all that. Enjoyed though, especially as I had the pleasure of sitting next to a Leeds supporter..
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Dec 15, 2021 10:59:17 GMT
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Post by Humph on Dec 15, 2021 10:59:17 GMT
As you’ll be aware, my knowledge of football is extremely limited, but something at the back of my mind says that Leeds were quite a good team at one time anyway weren’t/aren’t they? What changed, or were they always not so good?
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Dec 15, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Dec 15, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
In the 70s and leading in to the very early 1990s they were a good team, but terrible financial mis-management lead to a collapse in the quality of the squad and a fall into the lower divisions for about 20 years I think it was. They came back with a roar and with an interesting character of a manager from Argentina who is a mentor for Pep Guardiola (City manager) but is very tempremental.
The jump from the Championship to the Premiership in terms of quality of football is immense and not all teams can make it stick - hence the number of foreign players in the Premiership. If you can maintain a healthy squad and a solid defence then you can achieve 'mid-table respectability', but Leeds are suffering (as are Everton) from too many injuries leading to too few goals scored and too many goals allowed in.
Ten point separate the bottom team (10 points) from the team in eleventh place (20 points). 20 points separate the team in 10th place (21 points) with the team in top place (41 points). At the moment the 'Big Six' are looking like the 'Big Three' (Liverpool, Chelsea and ManCity) but that has been acheived in three different ways with a combination of long term planning, some judicious player purchases, great managers, some luck, and money. City wanted Guardiola for at least five years before he arrived and put in place everything he would have wanted from a club, including brand new training facilities opposite the stadium, a backroom and boardroom squad of people he knew and respected and a squad of players he could work with. Even then he won nothing in his first season.
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Dec 15, 2021 12:41:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 12:41:37 GMT
The Whites are going up. That's all anyone needs to know really.
And coming back down again fairly shortly.
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Dec 15, 2021 21:10:54 GMT
Post by bromptonaut on Dec 15, 2021 21:10:54 GMT
As you’ll be aware, my knowledge of football is extremely limited, but something at the back of my mind says that Leeds were quite a good team at one time anyway weren’t/aren’t they? What changed, or were they always not so good? Yeah, there's archive film somewhere of them running rings round Southampton c71/2. Was a teenager in Leeds when they were in their pomp but fitba's not my thing. Nor is any other game involving co-ordinating limbs and a ball. Rugger even worse as I've always been opposite quartile to the front row and not fast enough or co-ordinated enough for (eg) fly half.
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Dec 16, 2021 8:32:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 8:32:59 GMT
Dirty Leeds. Boo.
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Dec 16, 2021 10:20:26 GMT
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Post by WDB on Dec 16, 2021 10:20:26 GMT
Which United is the film about in which Michael Sheen plays Brian Clough? Watched it once on a plane; remember the look but not the detail.
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Dec 16, 2021 10:25:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 10:25:02 GMT
Leeds. Sorry, Dirty Leeds.
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Dec 20, 2021 7:43:00 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 20, 2021 7:43:00 GMT
Leeds ticked along until 2003 or so, when their financial recklessness came to light and they were relegated from the top flight in the same year.
Anyway, it looks like most of the teams are going to have a Covid-induced Christmas holiday this year... the clubs’ multi-million squads aren’t big enough to turn out 11 fit players apparently.
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Dec 20, 2021 9:22:38 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Dec 20, 2021 9:22:38 GMT
Went to Newcastle yesterday for the ManCity game. Covid passes were shown, the bars were crammed with no mask wearng. Felt a little risky. So did a test this morning.. Solidly negative.
The teams like Chelsea etc who are moaning are a bunch of cheating wimps. We have won Premierships with several important players out injured for the majority of the season. The real cuprits are the management of such teams and the premier league who should be insisting on players being vaccinated - just like in Europe where the majority of leagues have 95+% full vacciantion rates.
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Dec 21, 2021 19:11:23 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 21, 2021 19:11:23 GMT
Looks like there’s going to be a lot of matches played behind closed doors in January? Ruins the spectacle imho.
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Dec 21, 2021 19:36:54 GMT
Post by Rob on Dec 21, 2021 19:36:54 GMT
The risk if they just delayed matches is they run out of time to complete the season. There are still qualifiers for the world cup later in the year to get out of the way too.
Twelve months ago this all looked like it was going to be the beginning of the end... Oh well.
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Dec 21, 2021 20:33:30 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 21, 2021 20:33:30 GMT
I think it must be the end in 2022 Rob; here’s hoping that Omicron is largely benign and that the western governments are over-reacting.
If not, I think things might start to turn ugly in 2022...
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Dec 22, 2021 8:53:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 8:53:16 GMT
It does appear more benign, but the extra transmissibilty leads to higher hospitalisation numbers than Delta did. That's the problem now. The number I've seen is that the risk of hospitalisation is roughly 2.8 times higher with Omicron, becuase of the numbers of infections involved.
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Dec 22, 2021 9:19:00 GMT
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Post by WDB on Dec 22, 2021 9:19:00 GMT
Do you mean the risk of an infected case requiring hospital treatment is 2.8x (or 3.8x?) — which seems unlikely if Omicron is less severe — or that that is the new risk of an uninfected person becoming infected and then ill enough to end up in hospital? In which case, infectivity and consequent prevalence outweigh the reduced severity.
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