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Post by EspadaIII on Aug 21, 2024 8:12:27 GMT
There are no bad cars these days. If you choose a car that meets your basic space requirements, then everything slots into place. Lots of long journeys - yes go diesel; mostly local journeys with the occasional longer trip - why spend more money on more expensive diesel, especially if the petrol drinker can perform the longer trip fairly well. The extra torques more than make up for the larger, heavier Superb over the Civic.
I am as guilty as anyone of buying a car to suit my two or three longer trips each year rather than getting a smaller nippier vehicle to suit the driving I do 95% of the time. 'Do as I say not as I do' is the motto.
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Post by WDB on Aug 21, 2024 8:17:52 GMT
I don’t know what we could tell you about the Superb other than just doing the same sums as you might on the back of a different envelope. More power, more torque (what units are you using?) but more weight too.
You can get pretty close with those three data points to an idea of how lively or otherwise the car will feel, especially with the same type of motor. My CLS had about 30 percent more power than the 325d that preceded it, but also weighed 30 percent more, so it felt very similar. The iX40 has another 20 percent more power, and is more like 30 percent heavier — but compensates with the delivery characteristics of an electric drivetrain. (It also doesn’t have to play silly Verbrenner Top Trumps, so it can be geared for a modest top speed and strong acceleration at normal speeds.)
So your figures suggest that the Honda engine is designed to rev higher to extract more power from limited (non-turbo?) torque, whereas the Škoda’s turbo gives it more low-down pull and hence hill-climbing ability.
What I do know is that the Superb is one of the very few non-limousines that allow me to waggle my legs in the back. There’ll be no complaints about space, if the mechanicals work for you. Although it will take more parking than the Civic, if that’s a concern.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 8:23:26 GMT
I had no real vision of what my post wage slave mileage/usage might be, but so far I’m still doing a fair amount of driving. It still seems ok to stick with my diesel for now. Based on the usage since I retired at the end of November ‘23 it’ll do just shy of 15k miles by November ‘24. Many of those trips with bikes/people/stuff in or on it so for now anyway, it still works for me. Even her Jeep is doing 10k a year. Not sure how she manages to keep that up, but she’s always got to go somewhere it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 8:26:00 GMT
There are no bad cars these days. If you choose a car that meets your basic space requirements, then everything slots into place. Lots of long journeys - yes go diesel; mostly local journeys with the occasional longer trip - why spend more money on more expensive diesel, especially if the petrol drinker can perform the longer trip fairly well. The extra torques more than make up for the larger, heavier Superb over the Civic. I am as guilty as anyone of buying a car to suit my two or three longer trips each year rather than getting a smaller nippier vehicle to suit the driving I do 95% of the time. 'Do as I say not as I do' is the motto. My Leaf is my smaller, nippier vehicle for 95% of my driving. Remember, we don't operate his'n'hers model of use here. We just take whichever is the most suitable vehicle for any given journey, and we're rarely out at the same time. Therefore our larger ICE car does hardly any local journeys, so that isn't part of the picture.
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Post by bpg on Aug 21, 2024 8:27:33 GMT
Cars do not like just sitting around, if you're only going to use it a few weeks in the year maybe consider hiring. I know, we can all come up with a reason for having additional vehicles. Would the Toyota fill the emergency use gap ?
If the car will be used for frequent short journeys with the odd long trip to Scotland/Europe stay away from the black pump. The filters will clog.
A 1.5 petrol, fully loaded, with <300Nm torque will never be a ball of fire. Maybe invest in a sound deadening kit which will always be an improvement in a non-executive brand.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 8:30:26 GMT
If your decision is based on want, fill yer boots and have whatever you like. If it’s about need, you probably already have that.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 8:48:15 GMT
Or to put it another way, I’d not spend a lot of money on something I wasn’t going to use much. Don’t mind shelling out on things that are genuinely useful or pleasing on a regular basis though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 9:57:40 GMT
I want, and perhaps need, to keep as new a fleet of 2 cars as possible (reliability, convenience, sudden needs to go to Wales, like happened on Monday this week - I had to go down there Monday evening and back first thing Tuesday - I'm not faffing with rental cars for things like that).
I have a monthly payment budget for around £150-200 to achieve that. I have an agreement ending in a few weeks, which I need to make a decision on. There is no decision I can make which will save me that £150-200. So, the question is, how is that £150-200 best spent, taking into account needs, wants and practicialities.
The Corolla is irrelevant. It's for the kids to learn to drive in, I'm not relying on a 24 year old snotter for anything else.
So I think deploying that £150-200 on a 2 year old car with 7k miles on the clock is a tempting upgrade on the 2106 Civic with admittedly quite low, but building miles on it. It feels like a better use of the funds than financing the Leaf, as I can pay that down with the trade-in money from the Civic. I also don't feel inclined to upgrade or modernise the Leaf - it's the local runabout, doesn't need any more range, and a newer car will just get bumped and bashed in Tesco. I accept I am kicking the can down the road, but I don't see that as an argument which trumps all the above. I am comfortable doing that and having another decision to make in 4 years.
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Post by dixinormus on Aug 21, 2024 10:24:27 GMT
Keep the Leaf; as you say it’s for local work and will inevitably collect more chips, scratches and dents.
Wouldn’t waste my money on the Skoda tbh. Yes it’s newer and shinier, but doesn’t really excel in any area over the Honda. There’s no quantum leap in performance, economy or equipment is there? Just a couple more inches inside (fnarr) that won’t really be noticed?
In 2027 a 10-year old Honda with 100k on the clock is probably going to be more reliable than an out of warranty dsg Skoda?
I’d want a palpable upgrade if I were selling the Honda: something with a pano roof, heated leather etc. Something with a bit of a Wow factor.
That said…Curveball: new Dacia Jogger estate thingy..?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 10:29:58 GMT
Good God no to the Jogger. Just no. And in my eyes the Superb I'm going to look at is a significant upgrade in many ways - I really don't give a stuff about pano roofs and I hate leather seats. I also don't like heated seats - I had them in my SAAB 9-5, couldn't stand them. Equipment and toys come a long way down my priority list.
Also, in 2027, this Superb would be 5 years old and probably still under 30k miles. The Civic would be 11 years old and on about 70k miles. I'd be willing to bet there would be more maintenance costs and reliability issues with the latter.
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Post by WDB on Aug 21, 2024 10:42:03 GMT
I’d want a palpable upgrade if I were selling the Honda: something with a pano roof, heated leather etc. Norm, has Humph hacked into your account?
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 11:02:44 GMT
No, it’s what normal people like is all. 😉
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 11:23:54 GMT
>>Good God no to the Jogger. Just no.
Hang on a cotton pickin’ minute! You tried to get me to have one of those when they first came out. I mean, yes, they’re preposterous of course and I wouldn’t have one, but for the likes of, well you know, others, they might make sense… 😉
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Post by bpg on Aug 21, 2024 11:25:21 GMT
In 2027 that Honda, with regular servicing, will still be sewing machine smooth.
That 1.5 TSi on the otherhand has well documented issues, kangarooing, oil consumption, timing chain failure, AVT failure. I can see the interior space improvement, struggling with the reliability side of the argument I must admit. That Skoda will be out of warranty in October 2025.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2024 11:26:35 GMT
…and it’s a DSG.
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