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Post by EspadaIII on May 17, 2022 10:12:19 GMT
I once went to an England friendly (versus Turkey) at The Etihad. Such a totally different atmosphere compared to a City game and not in a good way. Far too much xenophobia and blatant racism.
And I agreed about Emirates sponsoring everything. It's OK with Arsenal (how can I complain!), but surely the FA has enough money that it does not need to plaster a sponsor's name at the beginning of it's most prestigious competition. Red Bull were barred from sponoring two clubs, but multiple teams in the Championship are sponsored by one betting company... makes no sense. Red Bull is a far less sinister product that gambling.
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Post by WDB on May 17, 2022 10:28:08 GMT
I can certainly agree with the last point.
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Post by Humph on May 17, 2022 10:30:18 GMT
As previously discussed, I’ve never been a football “fan”, although I can find myself enjoying a game if it is being played well. I’ve only been to a handful of matches in my life and I can’t say I’m in any rush to to do that again. While I’m certain there are plenty, if not a majority of attendees who are there to enjoy themselves without making total nuisances of themselves, those who do make up the baying ignorant mob spoil it completely for me. I simply can’t be bothered to deliberately put myself in close proximity with despicable creatures like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 10:31:08 GMT
Yes I haven't been comfortable with my club accepting gambling sponsorship as they did for a long while. Mobile phone company at the moment, which is better. Hope they don't revert. I don't buy replica shirts any more, but I would never have worn one with a gambling logo.
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Post by bpg on May 17, 2022 11:32:35 GMT
The last Newcastle shirt I bought had Newcastle Brown Ale on it - as the sponsor, not spillage. Before that was the blue away shirt with McEwan's on it.
Never bought anything from Sports Direct and don't see me rushing to buy the Saudi Arabia colours of the away shirt for next season either.
Similar to Al,'78 was the year I discovered football to watch. The FA Cup final with Bobby Robson managing Ipswich and the World Cup, Scotland playing Peru and getting knocked out after going 1-0 up and giving false hope. Did the same thing four years later against Brazil with David Narey's "the day I rocked Brazil goal".
I struggle to get excited about England. It's the fans not the team. They come across as Millwall fans on day release.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 11:41:47 GMT
Lost to Peru, drew with Iran, defeated Netherlands (eventual finalists and one of the greatest teams never to have won the World Cup) but not by enough goals to qualify for the next phase on goal difference - although for my money Archie Gemmill's goal in that match is the greatest World Cup Finals goal ever. Whole bloody debacle etched in the memory. And yes the subsequent seemingly inevitable meetings with Brazil all the way to 1998. I feel exactly the same way about England. It's a shame but there it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 12:15:14 GMT
>>I haven't been comfortable with my club accepting gambling sponsorship as they did for a long while.
Why not?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
I don't like gambling, I think it's a scourge on too many lives. I believe it shouldn't be allowed to advertise as an industry, particularly in places which are highly visible to children like football shirts. It should be treated like tobacco.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 13:20:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 13:34:18 GMT
Would you have allowed tobacco sponsorship in sport to have continued?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 13:36:28 GMT
Would you have allowed tobacco sponsorship in sport to have continued? I think so. It's not an illegal activity.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 13:44:11 GMT
Well no but that's not the point I'm putting forward in relation to gambling. Obviously there is no question of illegal activities and products being advertised legally in any situation, but there is a good argument to be made that some legal activites and products should not be advertised in arenas frequented by children, and in some cases not at all, as is now, rightly, the case with smoking and tobacco products in this country.
I think we should, as a starting principle, try to prevent advertising of harmful activities and products being too visible to children. Professional football is a highly visible thing to many children. Obviously you can't prevent children being aware of these things but we should seek to remove associations between activites loved by children and potentially harmful messaging.
It's an imperfect world but there's a landing area between free-for-all and everything banned.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 14:04:17 GMT
Clearly there is a line somewhere, and I don't know exactly where it is or should be, but I am not generally supportive of hiding stuff away. I think most stuff is better dealt with openly, provided it is legal.
Cigarette smoking has decreased significantly over the last 50 years. I assume that some/most of that is recognition of the dangers. Some of it is no doubt due to the fact that it's a proper PITA to find somewhere to smoke these days, but I wonder how much is due to the lack of visible advertising?
Nonetheless, I can see the argument for removing tobacco advertising. Obviously the same argument applies to alcohol, though I am even less happy about that. Gambling seems to me to be across the line.
>>Obviously there is no question of illegal activities and products being advertised legally
Isn't that kind of the point about advertising by oppressive regimes?
>>It's an imperfect world but there's a landing area between free-for-all and everything banned.
I agree, but I think the pendulum is swinging too far.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 14:25:24 GMT
Fair enough. I was just thinking, when I as a teenager I had no interest in starting to smoke, due to me own breathing difficulties and having put up with breathing second hand smoke from all my grandparents, aunts and uncles since birth (they all knew I was asthmatic, and they all did it in my presence anyway - my maternal grandmother smoked 60 a day, she was a proper chain smoker). I was utterly sick of it at a very early age. But I knew every big cigarette, cigar and pipe tobacco brand, and I knew exactly which position in the "hierarchy" each one occupied. Which were cool, which were old person's, which were common, which were classy. I spent years absorbing all of this passively. Then I think of my children, who are both now mid-teens. Neither of them would have the first idea about any of that. If I asked them to name a cigarette brand, they'd probably be stumped beyond one or two.
I can only think this is due to advertising and sports sponsorship having been withdrawn from their view. However, if I asked them to name gambling outfits, I expect their knowledge would be as comprehensive as mine was of cigarettes in the 80s. Going on my own personal anecdotal evidence and feelings, I think yes, advertising of gambling companies should be banned, or at least removed from the view of children as far as possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 14:46:17 GMT
My fear, and these days it seems increasingly likely, that meat adverts will be banned by vegetarians, leather products by vegans, skirts by the Alphabet Club, Petrol by one bunch of fanatics, 4x4s by another.
I think the pendulum needs to start swinging the other way, though as pendulums tend to do it will then go too far that way before returning.
But at the moment we seem to have a "I don't like it, I don't want to do it, therefore everybody else should be banned from doing it" culture, and that is starting to come through in too many places. I am not for one moment saying that is your position.
I too am a chronic asthmatic and my parents smoked. They were very caring parents so I can only assume the connection wasn't widely appreciated. Having said that of course, I smoked for many years and I *was* aware of the connection.
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