Brexit, of course...

If we were (or even able) to cancel Article 50 and say we'd like to stay we might fight to keep the deal we currently have. We have some exemptions, we get a rebate, etc. We might be worse off than we are now if we stay.

Presumably we need the agreement of all 27 EU nations to remain. And leaving will damage them but they might want to punish us a bit all the same.

If Parliament do get to vote on the final deal then there has to be a way of stopping Brexit. If you don't want the negotiated deal but the only alternative is no deal at all then what's the point of the vote.

Oh, they're pretty level headed folks Al and I'm sure that despite what they say they would still vote to remain.

I seriously doubt that is true of most Brits though. Your average Brit does not respond well to threats and the usual reaction is to dig in their heels and say "Stuff you!" If the choice is between backing down and confrontation they will choose confrontation every time. Even some of our own politicians fail to understand this never mind the EU.

I was in Cuba for the two weeks immediately prior to the referendum on a no-news, no-shoes holiday and a few days before we were due to fly back a bunch of folks arrived from Manchester. One couple who sounded to be reasonably well educated told me that they had been undecided how to vote until George Osborne ramped up Project Fear which convinced them to vote Leave. I think that we might not have been in this shituation if the Remain campaign had concentrated on the facts and kept the scaremongers in their box.

That's the bit I struggle with. Project fear was a mistake, albeit one that worked well for Tories in both 2010 and 2015 Elections (arguably in Indyref 1 too). Come referendum a positive campaign around What the EU Has Done for Us would have been much better as would some clarity around what leave meant. 

While it's difficult to comprehend petulance leading to ' right ideas but wrong reasoning = think remain but vote leave' it's a natural human reaction. 

>> I think that we might not have been in this shituation if the Remain campaign had concentrated on the facts and kept the scaremongers in their box.


Call it what you want but saying the negatives of leaving were all lumped in with 'project fear'. There's still the not trivial issue of the Irish Border.

I really blame Cameron for ballsing this up.

and then he b*****d off leaving us in the doo doo, despite promising not to.

We have the media and politicians that we, the great British public, choose to have and the whole Brexit debate, before and after the referendum is the result. The trouble is are there any decent ones left to choose?

Blimey I sound more like my father every day, must be getting older.