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Post by bpg on Jul 1, 2022 14:41:44 GMT
The kettle in your kitchen only boils at 80-85°C I suspect the 'hot' water on a plane might be comparible with what comes out of your hot water tap from the CH system.
Nasty stuff airline tea and coffee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2022 14:43:30 GMT
I'm sorry what pardon? How can water boil at below 100C at room temperature and pressure?
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Post by WDB on Jul 1, 2022 14:46:58 GMT
Erm, physics
Anyway, whose kitchen? My kettle can certainly manage 100°C, or as near as at 78m above sea level. Room temperature has nothing to with it, Vić, but atmospheric pressure falls with increasing altitude. What we call ‘boiling’ is the pressure of the vapour forming in the liquid exceeding the atmospheric pressure that’s keeping it there. So water boils at lower temperatures at higher altitudes.
I’ve made tea in Johannesburg, which is about 1,800m above sea level (coincidentally, giving roughly the equivalent atmospheric pressure to an airline cabin.) Didn’t bother again after the first attempt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2022 14:49:31 GMT
Oh right.
If anyone wants to be a bit more helpful, I didn't do physics O-level.
If my kettle is at 85c when it's boiling, is my washing machine lying to me that it's washing my whites at 90c? Because the water in one of those appliances is actually bubbling and shaking at those temperatures, and the other isn't.
I'm not being facetious, I genuinely don't know this stuff.
Sure, I'll go and look it up.
EDIT: Thanks for adding the extra bits after the "oh right" WDB. Makes more sense. The washing machine question still stands though. Is it a liar?
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Post by WDB on Jul 1, 2022 14:58:37 GMT
If your kettle is boiling water in Reading, that water will be at 99-point-something °C. The dial on your washing machine may be accurate or it may not; we have no way of knowing.
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Post by bpg on Jul 1, 2022 15:11:08 GMT
When your kettle 'boils' it's not actually boiling. Remember, you can't see steam. What your seeing is water vapour which starts jumping off the liquid at around 80°C at sea level.
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Post by dixinormus on Jul 1, 2022 16:14:42 GMT
Flew Ryanair last Monday; passed on the tea/coffee but settled for a Heineken, which was just about cold enough to be palatable.
At least the flight wasn’t full, wasn’t delayed much, and the Mancunian staff were quite friendly.
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Post by WDB on Jul 1, 2022 16:21:54 GMT
When your kettle 'boils' it's not actually boiling. Remember, you can't see steam. What your seeing is water vapour which starts jumping off the liquid at around 80°C at sea level. I disagree. You very much can see boiling, which is big bubbles of steam forming inside the liquid and erupting from its surface. And if you disconnect the kettle and stick a probe thermometer in the water… (Sorry it’s fuzzy. Trying to photograph one-handed through a cloud of steam without dropping the phone into the kettle. But it reads 99.5°C.)
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Post by Humph on Jul 1, 2022 17:09:00 GMT
Thing is, the drink I had, wasn’t totally unpleasant if taken in isolation. It really didn’t meet any reasonable expectations if one were to have compared it to a decent cup of tea though. It was at best, surprising. It performed the function of being a hot drink passably well, but was deeply disappointing if tea was its intended role or identity. Perhaps they could have called it something else. Hot, mysteriously flavoured and creamy drink maybe.
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Post by WDB on Jul 1, 2022 17:16:38 GMT
Yes. Got a bit diverted from that point.
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Post by bpg on Jul 1, 2022 17:17:06 GMT
I disagree. You very much can see boiling, which is big bubbles of steam forming inside the liquid and erupting from its surface. And if you disconnect the kettle and stick a probe thermometer in the water… View Attachment(Sorry it’s fuzzy. Trying to photograph one-handed through a cloud of steam without dropping the phone into the kettle. But it reads 99.5°C.) Bubbles can start forming in water at 71°C, water simmers at 87°C assuming sea level, pure etc... A kettle is for domestic use, even at 87°C you're not going to put that anywhere near human skin, tongue, mouth or whatever. Having a kettle that can make water hit 100°C means you need more water to begin with, consume more energy and still end up with something just hot enough to think mmm that's a nice cup of tea without removing layers of skin in your mouth. Bit like having Bugatti Veyron to drive the half mile to the paper shop in the morning.
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Post by Humph on Jul 1, 2022 17:24:48 GMT
You can see, indeed pertinently enough given the the thread title, how people can become divided.
I have a habit of briefly placing the back of my hand on a recently boiled kettle to establish if its “hot enough” to make another tea or coffee. Not always with a happy ending of course but its a technique that appeals to my sense of frugality.
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Post by WDB on Jul 1, 2022 17:56:23 GMT
I’m not using the kettle to heat the baby’s bathwater! This one has automatic stops at 70, 80 and 90°C, which work well for different infusions. But black tea works best in the hottest water you can put on it, hence 100°C and Humph’s aerial disappointment.
By the time it’s brewed in a preheated teapot for three minutes and I’ve poured it into a little milk, it’s more like 75°C in the cup anyway.
Even coffee benefits from very hot water — unless it’s Starbucks Burned to Buggery blend, where a lower temperature dissolves less of the bitter, over-roasted crap. 95-98°C works well for light-roasted beans if you want the fruity flavours that make modern coffee fun. Again, that’s brewing temperature, not drinking temperature!
It’s only really green and white teas that prefer water in the 80s. Now it’s summer I’m into my annual three months of enjoying green tea with jasmine flowers, which is nice on a hot afternoon but feels a bit silly in the damp depths of an English winter.
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Post by Humph on Jul 1, 2022 18:08:17 GMT
Blimey.
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Post by bpg on Jul 1, 2022 19:26:09 GMT
It's what makes us all different.
Sounds like an awful lot of work to me and I obviously don't have the palate to appreciate the subtle flavours whereas WDB enjoys it.
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