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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 22:16:26 GMT
So, no deal it is then ! Four and a half years, should we be surprised ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 21:16:41 GMT
They don't like it up 'em or is that a Car4Play thread ?
Britain must have carpet bombed Germany 70+ years ago...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 9:08:44 GMT
Isn't it all marvellous. I'm sure no other government on offer at the Dec 2019 GE could have done any better. No Deal is the best deal. We have shown those fuzzy wuzzies who's boss by negotiating a free trade area smaller than the United Kingdom by carving off NI, when were were promised one bigger than the EU. Now that's what I call an achievement.
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 7, 2020 12:00:25 GMT
I am waiting to see the Royal Navy defend our plucky fishermen from the rapacious French. I don't understand why British fishermen didn't fish in French or Spanish or Irish waters? Any will we be able to do so after Brexit?
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Post by WDB on Dec 7, 2020 22:54:34 GMT
Doesn't matter. Without a trade deal they won't be able to sell what they catch. The Brits don't buy British fish - it goes to France and Spain. The whole totem is a massive - or tiny - Farageist irrelevance. And we've run a nation aground for it.
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Post by Rob on Dec 8, 2020 9:45:48 GMT
The irony is the fishermen who voted leave to take back controlled access to the fishing water won't be able to sell what they catch. And if they do it might be held up in queues at the ports and ruin before it gets there. Brilliant.
The Sunderland Nissan workers who voted to leave will probably find that Nissan relocates the production facilities to the EU. At the end of the day it's just machinery. They can train up new EU workers. My guess would be somewhere like Slovenia or Slovakia.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 10:12:07 GMT
They were told this before the vote. They had their own legitimate concerns and opinions, however, and voted according to them, rather than expert advice.
Hey ho.
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Post by Humph on Dec 8, 2020 10:48:52 GMT
I think where I mostly am now, is just being desperate to know what the new rules will be. It's nigh on impossible to forecast or plan our business without knowing. Our whole model is agreeing the sales, manufacturing and delivery of bulk production in advance, both to UK and EU customers, and from non EU and EU suppliers/sources. It's like trying to play chess without being able to see the opposing men.
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 8, 2020 12:03:00 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 8, 2020 20:21:18 GMT
Love it TnE! 😄
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 9, 2020 19:56:16 GMT
Can I ask a stupid question?? A lot of the final arguments appear to be about alignment of British Standards going forward with EU Standards, on matters like workers rights etc. But presumably China, Canada, the USA or Japan have different standards and have some form of trade agreements with the EU... So what's different this time?
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 9, 2020 20:21:55 GMT
The main issue for the EU is that all the countries you quote are geographically distanced enough to negate many of the benefits of being much more lax on regulation than the EU (e.g. the UK is geographically very well placed for undercutting EU manufacturing/service costs just offshore and 'dumping'). The levels of two-way trade are also significantly higher.
Ultimately, it is entirely possible that the UK could negotiate a bespoke deal if it were to start differently to the current stance (though it would still have to meet EU import standards, and there might well be quotas as well as tariffs on many items). Such deals are not quick, however. Canada's, at a much lower level of trade, and of much less "offshore" threat, started negotiation in 2009, I believe, provisionally coming into force in 2017, and still not fully ratified.
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 9, 2020 23:57:20 GMT
So Boris’s dinner was inconclusive, and talks are to drag on for the weekend. It’s never-ending! Don’t think many businesses could be run in such a way?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 8:43:56 GMT
Good job we elected the Tories last year, easily the best option on the table.
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 10, 2020 13:21:26 GMT
There was no alternative. LDs could not deal with Brexit and overturning the 2016 vote was never going to happen. JC at Labour would have dithered.
Least worst option. Cameron should have stayed and fought tooth and nail with Boris's assistance. May wasted three years. Poisoned chalice and all that.
And the French are presumably irritating the hell out of the Germans.
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