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Post by WDB on Jun 16, 2020 14:42:19 GMT
Have you checked your new phone for any equalizer settings? Some devices come with all sorts of horrors — ‘loudness’, ‘bass boost’ — enabled by default to amuse da yoof. All best switched off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 14:50:05 GMT
Blimey. Don't know where to look. I'm playing through the Spotify app. That doesn't have those settings, does it?
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 16, 2020 14:55:13 GMT
...should have.
Settings/Equalizer (via the "gearwheel", though it may not be in use by default)
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Post by WDB on Jun 16, 2020 14:58:43 GMT
The phone may have its own audio settings too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 15:04:38 GMT
...should have. Settings/Equalizer (via the "gearwheel", though it may not be in use by default) There's no Equalizer under the gearwheel. There is "Music Quality" and I have set it to Very High from Normal under "Streaming". It has made...absolutely no difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 15:05:01 GMT
The phone may have its own audio settings too. It may. If it does, the location eludes me.
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 16, 2020 15:43:57 GMT
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Post by Rob on Jun 16, 2020 15:44:32 GMT
If I go to settings in Spotify and select Equaliser it takes me to the phones settings. On my Galaxy S10 it's 'Sound Quality and effects' which is under 'Sounds and Vibration'.
Apparently my phone will even personalise the sound for me. At a basic level it will alter based on age or you can follow instructions whilst listening to something.
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 17, 2020 7:53:07 GMT
Not sure how you're connecting your 'phone, Al, but given the vintage of the amp, I'd be surprised if it's via bluetooth. My guess would be out via the headphone socket on the 'phone and in via aux connections on the amp. If so, they well be mismatched. If you can't find an equalizer, then turn the volume on the 'phone to the minimum level that makes the amp volume control still viable for normal listening levels - the circuitry in the amplifier will be much better than the 'phone, and the better balance of amplification may improve things. If you were planning on streaming Spotify (or anything else via the 'phone) this way for a bit, you might consider a bluetooth receiver for the amp. Just attach to the aux sockets and keep its battery charged, then use Bluetooth to stream. I bought a mid-price Tx or Rx unit from eBay to stream from the main HiFi to my wireless headphones, but they are available below £10 (but check the reviews). The results might be better (and possibly more convenient). www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2in1-Wireless-Bluetooth5-0-Audio-Transmitter-Receiver-HIFI-Music-Adapter-AUX-RCA/402273930107...is just an example, I can't vouch for it. I have a Yamaha WXAD10 unit on the second HiFi which will stream just about anything at decent quality, via bluetooth, WiFi or ethernet, (it also drives the wireless headphones) but I think that's probably pushing the boat out too far for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 8:18:13 GMT
Yes that's how I am connecting it. What do you mean by "If so, they well be mismatched"? I'm doing the min volume on the phone thing already.
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Post by WDB on Jun 17, 2020 8:41:01 GMT
Just to be difficult, I might suggest the opposite, as the phone may control volume through the headphone socket digitally - effectively by throwing away digital information before converting it to analogue. Yes, the Denon amp will have a better analogue stage than the phone, but it may still sound better if you keep the phone output to maximum. This is what I do with Bluetooth speakers - admittedly from an iPhone that no longer has an analogue output stage to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 8:56:52 GMT
Holy shi-ite. That was it Dubya. Phone on max volume, big improvement.
Dubs 1-0 T&E!
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 17, 2020 9:08:03 GMT
That should have read "If so, they may well be mismatched"
Amplifier inputs are effectively electronically tuned (impedence, sensitivity, roll-off, etc.) to the type and characteristics of the input source expected to be connected*.
They can generally cope with quite a wide variance in input parameters, but close matching gives the absolute sweet-spot on the sound quality.
A headphone-out to an aux-in isn't really a conventional match (though, depending on the characteristics of both devices, might be alright).
* most noticeably, the "phono" input for a record deck is very different to the others, and contains significant additional "equalisation" circuitry, but in the past, a number of CD players had a higher output voltage than was ideal for the general inputs, and the CD input of an amp might have been rated at a lower sensitivity to match things better.
The specs for your amp indicate it has quite a high sensitivity, (certainly compared with any of mine) which could make it a poorer match for a headphone output from a 'phone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 9:10:28 GMT
Good info T&E. I have indeed connected the phone to the phono input. Perhaps I'll shift it to another one. Just gonna pause John Lennon a moment...
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 17, 2020 9:13:01 GMT
Holy shi-ite. That was it Dubya. Phone on max volume, big improvement. Dubs 1-0 T&E! If the amp volume control is now below normal listening levels for other sources, I'd still set that at a "normal" level and dial the 'phone down a bit to listenable levels to see if that was still OK. The input matching will be about right at that level (though if the 'phone DAC is discarding stuff, you won't get it back ;-) )
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