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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 10:14:37 GMT
What's that got to do with your claim that they were the most left-wing group of Tories? Their actual behaviour and policies whilst in office don't even come close to bearing out that claim, in fact they're the diametric opposite.
Baffling.
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Post by WDB on Sept 6, 2024 10:24:22 GMT
it was the most left wing group of Tories I have ever seen. My emphasis but your past tense. Who were the ‘lefties’ in the last government? Anyone with a hint of a social conscience was purged by Johnson in 2019.
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 6, 2024 11:05:58 GMT
But the actual policies (or frankly lack of any action on any front), especially regarding tax were very socialist. Reducing the allowance for CGT, not increasing the thresholds for the tax bands, and other aspects which stopped market activity...
The right wing voices were simply that - voices. No policies were enacted. Even Rwanda has been taken over by the socialist Germans!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 11:23:29 GMT
Brexit Austerity Bedroom tax Rwanda is a safe country legislation - actually passed Parliament Hostile environment Truss/Kwarteng mini budget
I could go on.
Left wing, my arse.
And no, Germany isn't taking over the Rwanda policy. Just because it's on the front page of the Daily Wail doesn't make it so.
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Post by bpg on Sept 6, 2024 11:37:43 GMT
The Tories can't all be lefties. The country has been in decline since the great silverware sell off started after 1979.
All the tax cuts have been funded by cutting services, military budget, councils being more dependent on local council tax funding lightning the load on central government to the point a surprising number of larger councils are on the brink of bankruptcy. VED reduced to £35 for cars pre-2017.
I suppose all that is the work of Labour ? 🙄
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 6, 2024 12:38:45 GMT
I'm not condoning the actions of the previous regime(s). Frankly anyone with an ounce of knowledge could see that the Right to Buy policy and privitisation were purely political actions akin to gerrymandering in a different form. PS I don't read the Daily Mail. And I take the Telegraph with a pinch of salt. Can't stand the Grauniad; it is so up it's own backside... But the Rwanda issue is on the BBC... you may care to check your view before having a go... linkHow we got here from a comment about being stuck on a motorway is beyond me... My drive today was to the office in my I5. Nothing happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2024 12:49:46 GMT
I know it's on the BBC. But Germany are not taking over the Rwanda policy as you put it, and the BBC article you posted does not say they are. That is, and sorry to call it this but it's about time we started, a lie. And the BBC article is a very poor one. Surely you can't take "German official suggests" to mean "Even Rwanda has been taken over by the socialist Germans!" Here's a snippet from below the headline: "Joachim Stamp, from the Free Democratic Party, which is a junior partner in the governing coalition, suggested accommodation originally intended for people deported from the UK could be utilised by Germany. However, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has previously expressed scepticism about processing asylum applications abroad and the idea is unlikely to be taken forward." Not only that, teh German official in question is suggesting processing asylum abroad under international law, which is entirely different to teh Tory party's idea of deporting people there to stay forever, writing lies into British law and breaking international law.
Truth matters. If Party A has a good policy, I'll say so, for example I approved of the Conservative's move to ban the sale of tobacco progressively. Sadly, the majority of the things they did since 23rd June 2016 have not met my tests. I cannot conceive of anyone of reasonable intelligence, and in good faith, supporting their Rwanda debacle. I am 99% certain even James Cleverley knew it was merely a political stunt which he calculated would win electoral support. How did that go, eh.
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Post by bpg on Sept 6, 2024 13:31:28 GMT
How we got here from a comment about being stuck on a motorway is beyond me... Update on that, five people injured, two with life-threatening injuries, one of those was trapped in their vehicle. A dog died at the scene. Given the strict rules they have here about all passengers in a vehicle restrained, dog licencing and ownership rules I'm guessing it wasn't wandering in the road but was in one of the vehicles. In accidents like that they can keep the road closed for as long as they need.
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Post by Rob on Sept 6, 2024 16:52:49 GMT
The decent, centrists from the Conservative MPs were got rid of (some just resigned etc.) after Brexit. I think mot of the Conservatives are toxic and willing to veer to the far right. But then so have the Germans and French.
On a bus today (I do use them you know at times) and someone was talking to their husband and complaining that Keir was a communist, they'd taken their winter fuel allowance but migrants get everything. But the two of them were sitting in separate seats at the front of the upper deck taking up more space than needed. We wish we'd commented to them.
Later on chatted to numerous others who were nice people which is usually the case around here.
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Post by bpg on Sept 6, 2024 17:35:37 GMT
Interesting you pick out the French and Germans omitting Spain or that Hungary and Italy already have right wing governments.
The whole of Europe has shifted right. It's just not being publicised for whatever reason(s).
A colleague made an interesting point with a sports analogy. Joachim Löw was a successful German manager winning the world cup and confederations cup back to back. Löw said in an interview the only difference between the winning team and runners up was how the winning team was unified for a single objective. The most successful WC winning teams all have one thing in common, a common background. Italy, until recently, never chose a player who played outside the Italian league, Germany similar. They shared the same background and played the same system week in week out.
What I took from that was as long as people have a common platform then they appear to pull out the best for one another which may be what was behind the integration idea. When people don't mix they are treated as suspicious outsiders. When they try to change the common ground that's when issues arise. If people feel like their foundations are being pulled from underneath them then there will be a reaction.
Doesn't need comment but caused me to stop and think, and I do not condone meat headed violence. Far from it.
Edit: forgot to mention the Dutch have a right wing government, too. Europe will look very different soon if the man-child is re-elected at the end of this year.
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Post by Rob on Sept 6, 2024 18:13:12 GMT
It omitted Hungary because oban is a terrible dictator and a puppet of Putin. I hadn't realised Spain had gone that way or Italy.
If Trump is elected then things will get a lot worse. Fingers crossed he does not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2024 7:55:43 GMT
You forgot Slovakia, and Serbia.
But on the other hand there's Poland who have veered back to the centre after disastrous right-wing government, and France who seem to have a electoral system worthy of its name which keeps maniacs out. Then there's Scandinavia, and other places which haven't gone right wing. So I don't think it's fair t say the whole of Europe has shifted right. We've just gone back towards the centre ourselves, sadly our new lot do seem slightly terrified of letting go of some of the worst instincts of the previous government, however.
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 9, 2024 10:59:18 GMT
The current lot can't decide if they want to be Tories or Old Labour. There is a lot of illogicality in the initial decisions which is winding up the very people they need to remain in power at the next election. The decision to pay already high earning train drivers a huge increase whilst at the same time, taking away the winter fuel allowance was mad. Certainly paying the allowance to people who are already paying tax at 40% is nonsense but if it affects those who are not troubling HMRC anyway, that is really shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by dixinormus on Sept 12, 2024 7:55:39 GMT
It’s my Auckland round-robin day again tomorrow. SWMBO is going to accompany me this week, so I will be limited to 90km/h and no reckless overtaking. The payoff for squeezing half of the fun out of the day will probably be a gain of 2-3 mpg 😂
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Post by bpg on Sept 12, 2024 9:41:08 GMT
Got an 800 mile round trip to SE Ingurrland this weekend. Will take the lesser oil burner, it should manage the trip on one tank and clear the filters.
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