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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 15:22:19 GMT
Agree absolutely, bpg. Well said.
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 16:36:06 GMT
In other news: Giovanni van Bronckhrost sacked by Rangers. I never saw that coming.
OK, this season was always going to be a tough one after last season's Europa Cup Final, crashing out of the Champion's League and 9 points behind Celtic already. Who are they going to get now they're in a kind of damage limitation position until next season ? Looks either too late or too early now.
Edit: I don't suppose Stevie Gee La will be on the short list.
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Post by WDB on Nov 22, 2022 16:40:19 GMT
Agree absolutely, bpg. Well said. Really? Of course all societies are imperfect but there’s a bar, in terms of human rights and global good citizenship. The US clears it. Any European democracy — probably even Hungary — clears it. Russia might barely have cleared it in 2010 but certainly not in 2018. Qatar? Never even close. I have the same problem here as with Formula One and its chase-the-money ethic. This isn’t taking a sport to where existing fans are longing to host it — quite different from Australia and England cricket returning to Pakistan, and even the Argentina WC in 1978; it’s simply going where there’s lots of money, because of the money. Everyone involved knows it’s rotten but chose to participate anyway. I’m not ready to join them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 16:42:07 GMT
In other news: Giovanni van Bronckhrost sacked by Rangers. I never saw that coming. OK, this season was always going to be a tough one after last season's Europa Cup Final, crashing out of the Champion's League and 9 points behind Celtic already. Who are they going to get now they're in a kind of damage limitation position until next season ? Looks either too late or too early now. Edit: I don't suppose Stevie Gee La will be on the short list. Sean Dyche. Either way, them and Celtic must be bricking it that it looks like the mighty Honest Men could finally be joining them in the top league next season. It's been nearly 50 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 16:47:16 GMT
Agree absolutely, bpg. Well said. Really? Of course all societies are imperfect but there’s a bar, in terms of human rights and global good citizenship. The US clears it. Any European democracy — probably even Hungary — clears it. Russia might barely have cleared it in 2010 but certainly not in 2018. Qatar? Never even close. I have the same problem here as with Formula One and its chase-the-money ethic. This isn’t taking a sport to where existing fans are longing to host it — quite different from Australia and England cricket returning to Pakistan, and even the Argentina WC in 1978; it’s simply going where there’s lots of money, because of the money. Everyone involved knows it’s rotten but chose to participate anyway. I’m not ready to join them. Qatar are realising that they've shot themselves in the foot with the negative reaction there's been to them hosting it. It's becoming an embarrassment to them and they're openly saying now that they wish they'd never made the bid. uk.news.yahoo.com/its-all-gone-to-st-qataris-now-regret-hosting-world-cup-ex-bbc-journalist-claims-144044657.htmlWell, good. I do wish that it would make them take a longer, harder look at themselves, but that's too much to hope for. It should never have been awarded there, of course. Maybe the positive effect will be that FIFA will reform itself and never pull this sort of sh1te again. |
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 16:49:20 GMT
One or two league trips down the Ayrshire coast per team it'll be like the Glasgow Fair over and over.
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 16:56:22 GMT
Really? Of course all societies are imperfect but there’s a bar, in terms of human rights and global good citizenship. The US clears it. Any European democracy — probably even Hungary — clears it. Russia might barely have cleared it in 2010 but certainly not in 2018. Qatar? Yes, really. Qatar didn't suddenly get this reputation since 2010 and FIFAs announcement. It's been this way for hundreds if not thousands of years. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for change based on a sport no one is really interested in, in the region. By way of comparison consider expecting COP27 to wean itself off oil while oil men broker the agreements. FIFA being able to do as they please completely unregulated by any other body is the problem. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 22, 2022 17:01:55 GMT
I have stopped watch F1 since it left the obvious circuits for those with no character but lots of money. The thing about football is that anyone can play, anyone can set up a club and join the FA and enjoy themselves. Hence the money doesn't always call the shots but UEFA, the European FAs and national leagues need to get heavy with FIFA and say, no European teams or players will come to the World Cup unless you reform. If all the European teams and USA had worn rainbow armbands in Qatar, there is nothing FIFA could have done. Who wants to see the final between Iran and Senegal? It will be damp squib.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 17:10:05 GMT
It's gonna be Saudi Arabia v Tunisia at this rate.
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 17:28:35 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 22, 2022 17:47:52 GMT
Ronaldo has left Man United
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 18:33:04 GMT
Probably best for both sides, ten Hag didn't really want him and Ronaldo had no respect for his team mates or the manager.
It'll save Man Utd about £15m plus whatever they get for the early release.
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Post by bpg on Nov 22, 2022 19:34:57 GMT
I've been trying to think of a fair and even way of hosting the WC and how that could be evened out without the nods, winks and handshakes.
Only eight nations have ever won the world cup, rules out winner hosts the next tournament. That and off field VAR game management being the shambles it currently is allows manipulation.
Not every footballing nation wants or has the ability to host such a global tournament.
Given the aim of the world cup is to broaden the appeal of the game taking it to new footballing territories how would or could you ensure a fair and even distribution of tournaments away from the hands of FIFA and keep the politics and regional ethics out of the equation ?
Maybe it's not possible.
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Post by WDB on Nov 22, 2022 22:13:03 GMT
Given the aim of the world cup is to broaden the appeal of the game taking it to new footballing territories… Is it? An aim, maybe, but the only one? Even so, most experience the tournament through TV, so isn’t it more important to make that the best possible showcase? And, still on emerging football nations, Japan and Korea — each far bigger than Qatar — had to share their WC. But Qatar can buy one all to itself. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 23, 2022 12:41:08 GMT
There is no need to host the WC in an 'emerging football nation', unless the eight new stadia will have a obviously positive effect on the game in the immediate future. Otherwise, host it in the countries that have the infrastructure already in place; i.e. good quality stadia each capable of holding 40,000+ and good public transport facilities. This will save fortunes, money which would be better spent on famine relief, infrastucture development in poor countries etc and use the WC as a means to encourage real charitable giving.
England (and you could include Scotland and Wales in one tournament) has a plethora of good stadia that meet this requirement, as do several other European countries. Most of the Americas also meet this as do I suspect several African ones given that they hold the ACoN biennially. In this regard Russia 2018 made a lot of sense; a country with a football history and many air routes from the major cities. But Qatar makes no sense.
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