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Post by Rob on Feb 20, 2018 19:59:53 GMT
>> On any trip above about 30 miles, a PHEV is essentially a petrol car that has to carry 400kg of redundant batteries, along with the complex hardware for combining two drivetrains even when one isn't doing anything.
And it will get really poor MPG compared to a diesel. If I could have safely recharged a Passat GTE at home I'd have had one and saved on tax and fuel.... but I'd have had to trail a cable across the pavement to charge (so a no). But the average MPG was not great when I started with a full charge on a long journey. I'd bettered it in the A3 albeit a much lighter car even compared to a non hybrid Passat (at the time only diesels in the UK for Passats). Best MPG for a journey in the A3 was 48mpg and best so far for the Superb is 43MPG. The Passat GTE did 46 at an estimate (not brim to brim).
I am glad VW did not do a Passat petrol in the UK when I was choosing (apart from the GTE). I like the Skoda Superb better.
Next car might well be a plugin hybrid Superb.... who knows where I am living there if I am still in the UK.
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Post by WDB on Feb 20, 2018 22:30:07 GMT
Do we need a verb for To fret aloud and at length that one could have been the spearhead of the electric revolution, if only one had somewhere to plug it in? 😜 |
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Post by lygonos on Feb 20, 2018 22:51:31 GMT
On any trip above about 30 miles, a PHEV is essentially a petrol car that has to carry 400kg of .... And it will get really poor MPG compared to a diesel....
Maybe 200kg of extra gubbins (Ioniq PHEV weighs 1495, Hybrid 1370kg, EV 1420kg)
Also, remember the first 30 miles was almost free so it's not until you've done over 100 miles in one go that the numbers start to favour a diesel.
If your miles are around town it still acts as a hybrid and will be comparable to a diesel without using electrons.
Autoexpress got over 60mpg from their (non-PHEV) Prius over 12,000 miles - www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/prius/97717/long-term-test-review-toyota-prius - without driving Miss Daisy style.
Autocar got 94mpg from their Prius PHEV over 7600 miles - www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/prius/first-drives/toyota-prius-plug-long-term-review <--- **READ THIS ONE**
Ugly fockers though - makes a Kizashi look svelte and sleekit.
If you're driving is mostly 300 mile motorway burns and money is an issue get an Insignia diesel....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 23:03:16 GMT
No to the PHEV. The Outlander is a large clumsy vehicle and very heavy; even ICE only let alone with a battery. The PHEV has very poor fuel economy when running on petrol which it will do for longer trips. Better an older, lighter petrol car.
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Post by lygonos on Feb 21, 2018 0:33:42 GMT
The Outlander PHEV is not a very good car.
Lags way behind Toyota for efficiency - the Prius PHEV will do 55-65mpg on the motorway on petrol power alone using it's 1.8 litre Atkinson cycle engine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 9:30:41 GMT
All spot on, WDB. 100% agree. The other use of our "big" car, however, isn't in your analysis: once or twice a week Mrs a now works from home and does the school run, 5 miles each way. 20 miles in a day. This is within the Outrager pure electric range. I agree there are better cars for long distances, but as we know MPG is the least of your worries when you're only doing 5/6000 miles a year. The merc has done 9k miles in the last calendar year, which includes 6 months of use as a daily driver, so even estimating 6k miles a year for its replacement is overdoing it probably. I have found this, which is gettable on a low mileage PCP for £150 a month seemingly: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201712192155000Had a quick shufty at one in the Wokingham dealer last night (same age as the above, half the miles, £6k more though www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802153747812). They're not as SUVish as I feared. More like a Forester sort of arrangement. Still a bit too SUVish for my likings, but we'll see what the board of one thinks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 9:38:04 GMT
The Outlander PHEV is not a very good car. Lags way behind Toyota for efficiency - the Prius PHEV will do 55-65mpg on the motorway on petrol power alone using it's 1.8 litre Atkinson cycle engine. Prius doesn't really compare to the Outrager in terms of luggage/passenger/4 bikes capacity though does it?
Auris Hybrid is nearer the mark, but still a long way off. Sure, Outrager would be a poor choice for driving the motorways every day. But 4/5 times a year? Who cares if it's a bit thirsty then.
Remember, this won't be a daily driver. Also, we started this project by being told by the board that "I don't want diesel". So any large estate, petrol auto, is going to be thirsty. Which doesn't matter considering the mileage in question.
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Post by dixinormus on Feb 21, 2018 10:06:29 GMT
Our Outlander is probably at its best on the motorway, with no twisty roads to unsettle it. Quiet, comfortable cruising. Mind you, ours is the diesel; I am unconvinced that the PHEV's 2-litre petrol engine might do such a good job without straining (and getting thirsty).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:47:01 GMT
The one I rented over Christmas (and dinged the door) was, I think, a 2.4l 4-cyl petrol auto. Adequate performance, smooth and safe on the straights, but not ideal on anything bendy and certnly thirsty around town.
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Post by lygonos on Feb 21, 2018 11:44:41 GMT
Honda FRV.
With roofrails, so not base SE spec.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 13:25:10 GMT
I'm only considering the Outlander because it's a hybrid, and the board likes that. No way am I getting any kind of MPV/SUV which isn't hybrid if I don't have to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 13:41:10 GMT
But if you do get an SUV, then why does hybrid matter? I thought you objected on the grounds if their size? Or visibility around them?
Will people refusing to let you out of junctions because they don't approve of your car annoy you?
That to one side, large cars are a pain in the arse in cities. Especially in car parks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 14:16:12 GMT
Hybrid matters because the lady says so. This is not my choice. If we get one, it's on the basis of its hybridness, not its SUVness. Having looked around one it's more of a high estate car than an SUV in any case, it has a proper size boot like an estate car, with a low lip, rather than the small boots and high lips which SUVs tend to have. I would hardly ever drive it myself, expect on the long hauls. As I said earlier, I don't want to consider any other SUVs or MPVs. The Outlander is shorter and narrower than our current E Class. It's almost as if people skim read these threads and miss the vital information and keep asking it again.......  |
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Post by Avant on Feb 21, 2018 14:25:34 GMT
The two people I know with Outlanders (one has a PHEV, the other a diesel) are very happy with them. The Outlander is designed to do a job rather than to be exciting or to have an image, and it seems to do that job well.
I hope Mrs A has a long test drive in one to make sure she likes it.... if you get one for her and she then doesn't like it, it will be your fault.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 14:32:36 GMT
Ain't that the truth.
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