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Post by bpg on Jun 24, 2021 11:43:51 GMT
You'd think electric vehicle (car, motorbike, pushbike, e-scooter) share/hire/rental would be huge if that is what we need to do. Why buy a car to sit around for 22 out of 24 hours/day? Rent it and pay for what you actually use. No need for on-street parking permits. If you need to get a few miles down the road with a laptop, scooter or bike, why clog the roads with 4 to 5 metres of metal ?
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Post by Humph on Jun 24, 2021 11:46:23 GMT
Well, the concept has been around for years in the form of taxis. But, people just prefer their own space I guess. Given the choice.
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Post by WDB on Jun 24, 2021 11:51:13 GMT
It’s a generational thing. People 20 years younger than us are far less bothered about owning things like cars and records. They just want transport, music, whatever available when they need it.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 24, 2021 11:57:07 GMT
Strangely, my sons hate public transport unless absolutely necessary. They use it less than me, although of course their cars are funded by their parents.. Daughter is quite happy to use it.
Back to the topic "I don't have a better idea either" regarding older cars - I do...
In the ULEZ area you register your current car with the authorities via the website. If you change your car, it must be less polluting that the previous one. That way the poorer in society get to keep their car until the need to change it arises or they can afford to. It will take longer but stops penalising those who would suffer the most by the change.
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Post by Humph on Jun 24, 2021 11:59:17 GMT
That sounds way too much like a common sense suggestion Esp.
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Post by bpg on Jun 24, 2021 12:06:27 GMT
If you get rid of personal ownership you don't need ULEZ zones and all the hardware (signs, cameras, ANPR) required to run one. Move the cars to compounds, clear the streets and remove the "my space" mentality. Win-win.
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Post by Humph on Jun 24, 2021 12:20:32 GMT
I have a French Critair sticker and a German Umweltplakette sticker on my Merc. These declare its emissions status. Maybe something like that could be introduced here. Maybe if you are the current owner of an older car you could get an exemption version but would not be allowed to get one on an older car you were about to buy. Or something.
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Post by bpg on Jun 24, 2021 12:27:29 GMT
The Umweltplakette has already hit the end of its usefulness. I have a EU5 diesel. It has a green sticker but will soon be banned from cities, they need a new "good" colour.
If personal transport is the environmental disaster it is painted as then nothing short of a total ban is surely the answer ? Clear all the idle cars laying round doing nothing and maximise the effectiveness of the ones that are out there by evening the pollution out across multiple users who pay for the damage caused.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 12:46:28 GMT
The Crit'Air sticker I had to get for my E320 a couple of years ago to enter Paris was brown. Which was totally appropriate for the car.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 24, 2021 12:56:52 GMT
Therefore you need to stop people travelling. The progress of humankind has been based upon travel and learning new things from different people and habitats. If I never leave north Manchester my world shrinks as does my view of the world and the people in it. Anything outside north Manchester has to be 'bad' so I become a racist... Travel really does broaden the mind. We need to keep travelling.
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Post by bpg on Jun 24, 2021 13:07:00 GMT
Keep travelling just not in your own personal car. Do as Norman told you in the 80's, get on 'yer bike !
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Post by Humph on Jun 24, 2021 13:36:14 GMT
Yeah, so, how am I going to get my mountain bikes and ancillary kit and riders to remote parts of Wales a couple of times a week then? And then get them home again while covered in unidentifiable crud?
Eh eh?
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 24, 2021 13:43:19 GMT
So try a different form of cycling. People starting mountain biking cause they live in the mountains. Then people went mountain biking who didn't live in mountains... You live on the Cheshire Plain - try flat biking from home...
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Post by Humph on Jun 24, 2021 13:55:48 GMT
For wimps that...
never trust a man with skinny tyres...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 14:01:07 GMT
Move to North Wales. There's lovely. I hear the locals round there like to welcome incomers with a roaring fire.
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