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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 7:47:01 GMT
If someone decides they won't get a vaccine becuase of this unproven blood clot risk, then they should never take any kind of medicine ever again. 18 people out of 25 million have died, and the link between the vaccine and the clot has not even been proven. 0.00000072%. Chances of dying in a car crash? 1 in 240 in the UK. 0.0042%. You'd have to be quite mad to choose not to take the vaccine or get in a car based on those odds. I'm pretty sure everyone on this site is quite keen to jump in their motor whenever they like without considering the risk of death.
We really adrifting into the arena of a society in which all reason seems to be flying out of the window.
The Thalidomide disaster was precisely what prompted the changes to regulations around clinical approvals for medications which have proven this vaccine safe for use.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 14, 2021 9:49:17 GMT
Well said Al. And yet something in the range of 10-40% of any sample of people polled seem not to want to have the vaccine... 🤷♂️. We’ve even got a considerable number of airline pilots in this country who are hesitant/resistant, even though we are about to give their livelihoods a lifeline with the commencement of free travel to and from Oz... Go figure.
Did we ever find out what caused the fall of the Roman Empire..?! History is repeating itself! Maybe humanity needs a meteor...
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 14, 2021 11:30:22 GMT
Sheer madness... The benefits of vaccination are clear and the risks ridiculously small.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 14:56:30 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 15, 2021 21:28:26 GMT
But it’s a bit like Brexit Al, the “other side” will never listen anyway. Who needs scientists and experts now that we’ve got the Internet? 😬
Maybe we’ll see Darwinism on a massive scale? Except that there’ll be innocent victims too 😖
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Post by WDB on Apr 25, 2021 13:02:44 GMT
First Saturday of our cricket season yesterday. Let’s leave the actual playing to one side and consider the playing arrangements.
That we are allowed to play at all depends on being an organised sport under the auspices of a national governing body, in our case the ECB. That has published a code of conduct, without adherence to which we are not exempted from the six-person-two-household rule, which would make eleven-a-side sport rather tricky.
One stipulation is that there are to be no spectators and no social facilities at host clubs. Our venue yesterday was a sports association where there were also two football matches and a bar serving outside through a window. You can imagine: there must have been a hundred people there and, but for a few token notices about distancing, it was indistinguishable from a sunny Saturday in 2019. As a Covid hazard it was probably minor, but there were presumably hundreds of similar scenes yesterday and one will turn out to have been the start of an outbreak. And that could be enough to get outdoor sport closed down all over again.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 25, 2021 19:35:41 GMT
Alas it’s inevitable WdB. People think that with the lockdown lifted the virus has magically gone away... We over-estimate people’s intelligence and are constantly surprised.
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 25, 2021 20:04:34 GMT
I wouldn't worry. The figures today are remarkably low, given the numbers of young people in Primark last Wednesday. The vaccine is working. As long as the numbers don't rise too much I think blind eyes will be turned.
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Post by bpg on Apr 26, 2021 17:19:17 GMT
My M-i-L has received both injections and no documentation to back this up. Even if she could travel she has nothing to offer to the authorities as evidence. 🙄
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Post by Rob on Apr 26, 2021 21:07:52 GMT
The only thing I think we get is the small piece of card (credit card sized) that states the date of the two jabs and what vaccine you got. If you log on to your GP medical system (assuming you have remote access) or have the NHS app linked to your GP surgery the vaccine record shows up. But this isn't something I'd expect your MIL to know how to do.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 27, 2021 2:44:33 GMT
AIUI the vaccine doesn’t stop the recipients from catching Covid-19, or from passing it on to others? So the UK vaccinations program isn’t the final solution alas. But it should hopefully prevent a deteriorating scenario such as we are seeing in India now. But as long as people continue to travel (internationally) and mix (locally) we may not be out of the woods yet... 😬.
Down under, somebody in Australia travelled to India for a wedding. Brought the virus back with them and caused a lockdown in Perth. As the lockdown came in to force a potentially infected person took a plane to Melbourne, and another one to Auckland... That’s often all it takes...
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Post by WDB on Apr 27, 2021 7:25:28 GMT
That’s why we’ll need to stay vigilant. But universal vaccination will hugely reduce the likelihood of an infection from one place seeding an outbreak in another.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 8:00:59 GMT
And the outbreak will result in very low numbers of deaths and hospitalisations, because the vaccine has been proven to mitigate the disease once you've got it and cause only moderate symptoms at worst. The only people left at great risk are those who either could not take or refused the vaccine. I shall only have sympathy for one of those groups.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 27, 2021 8:29:32 GMT
Am surprised that the sceptics are more scared of the virus, when you see the tv reports coming from India at the moment 😣
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 27, 2021 12:37:37 GMT
The figures yesterday showed a minute increase in the rate of infection per 100,000 from 24.8 to 25.0. Less than 1% change and just ober two weeks since shops reopened. Also zero deaths from Covid by one measure on the HMG dashboard.
The vaccine must prevent transmission, even modestly, to have this effect.
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