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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 12, 2022 6:37:19 GMT
Boris is toast if these latest revelations are true. There is always a certain amount of 'do what I say, not what I do' with politicians; but this takes the biscuit...
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Post by WDB on Jan 12, 2022 7:56:59 GMT
It seems a bizarre issue to destroy him, when he’s done so much that’s so much worse — corruption in public office, endorsing breaches of the Ministerial Code, making political protest an imprisonable offence. But, as with Al Capone, whatever opportunity arises to end his parasitic career is one worth taking.
We did tell you he was unfit for office, didn’t we?
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Post by bpg on Jan 12, 2022 11:37:33 GMT
If it were an election year he'd be toast but it's not and he isn't. By the time the next general election rolls around the goldfish electorate won't even remember COVID.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 12, 2022 11:45:10 GMT
I'm not actually sure he is to blame for this particular matter, but someone has to take responsibility and an organisation rots from the head. I could and did forgive certain things but there has been too much and despite the intentional drip feed of damaging news (probably sourced via Dominic Cummins), it is clear that the Britsh people were being taken for a ride by the Government and the Modellers. Ferguson should also resign for being way too negative and having it away with his 'bit' at the height of lockdown as well.
I am disappointed, as Boris is clearly a person who gets things done and gets the things done that people want doing. There are few politicians who can do that. Life would have been an awful lot better if Boris had come down on the side of Remain. I reckon he would now be seen as a Statesman, forcing through changes in the way the EU operate to everyone's benefit. But we are where we are and it is time for either Rishi or Truss.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 12, 2022 11:46:18 GMT
If it were an election year he'd be toast but it's not and he isn't. By the time the next general election rolls around the goldfish electorate won't even remember COVID. This is pretty big and he will have to lot of bridge building in the Red Wall seats to win again.
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Post by bpg on Jan 12, 2022 11:55:59 GMT
I wouldn't say Boris got things done, he waits until he's backed into a corner and the decision is made for him is what I have observed. Who is going to replace him ? He is in the position until the ERG decide he has served his purpose. Brexit is not complete, he is there until the job is done, that's his baby. There is currently a divide between a low tax Brexit economy and where the UK is now.
The Red Wall is just noise, a nice to have, they couldn't believe their luck that happened but it's not a decider for CHQ.
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Post by WDB on Jan 12, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
I'm not actually sure he is to blame for this particular matter. He is. The invitation came from his own PPS. Do you suppose he didn't know? And then, according to multiple eyewitnesses ( and, just now, by his own admission) he went to the party. Ferguson should also resign for being way too negative and having it away with his 'bit' at the height of lockdown as well. He did resign over that, a week before Johnson's BYOB party. As for being 'too negative', he offered precautionary advice based on previous experience of government dithering in previous waves. Johnson's pre-Christmas dithering wasn't 'right' this time, he merely (appears to have) got away with doing what he always preferred. I am disappointed, as Boris is clearly a person who gets things done and gets the things done that people want doing. There are few politicians who can do that. Life would have been an awful lot better if Boris had come down on the side of Remain. I reckon he would now be seen as a Statesman, forcing through changes in the way the EU operate to everyone's benefit. But we are where we are and it is time for either Rishi or Truss. This is pure fantasy. What has he 'got done'? A botched EU deal that he barely even read, let alone understood? 'Levelling up'? There's been none. Johnson's record with the EU consists of making things up because he was too lazy a journalist to do any actual research. He's no more a 'statesman' than my cat is; he merely pleases himself and leaves others to clear up his mess. Life would have been an awful lot better if he'd never come near British politics.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 12, 2022 12:42:34 GMT
But the 53% of the voters who wanted out got what they wanted. Out. No one said it would be pretty... Even Farage said that (after the fact).
It was always going to be a buggers muddle which was why I held my nose and voted Remain.
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Post by WDB on Jan 12, 2022 13:20:24 GMT
Ri…i…i…ight 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:10:51 GMT
Thank you for your kindness, but I forgot my actual point.
I was under the impression that the chances of a false negative from a PCR test were minuscule hence it's use as the determining measure all over the world. Yet, the NHS/RBH say that it takes 2 tests / 2 days to be sure.
Are they being excessively cautious or have I been labouring under a misconception?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 15:25:25 GMT
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Post by WDB on Jan 12, 2022 15:28:47 GMT
PCR detects viral genetic material, even in tiny quantities, so it tends to still show positive even when the viral dose has fallen below the level that could infect someone else. So yes, very few false negatives. But I can imagine that in the hospital context, confirmation is everything, because an infectious patient missed by a faulty or mis-done test could have lethal consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 16:20:19 GMT
False positives are little more than an inconvenience, but one can quite see how false negatives could become a problem.
Though I guess since the goal is only every slowing rather than stopping then the accuracy of the PCR test is sufficient in practice, though in a hospital context, as WDB mentioned, rather more certainty is needed.
The English approach, whoever is responsible and whether it is skill or luck, does currently seem to be the correct one. I was impressed with the intelligent way they dealt with #1.
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Post by Rob on Jan 12, 2022 17:01:15 GMT
For many people you can still test positive months after recovering from Covid. Apart from Novax who tested negative or so he says, 6 days later. Who believes him?
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 13, 2022 15:25:31 GMT
He's on his way out again... found to have left isolation the day after he tested positive...
Idiot
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