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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 7, 2022 8:53:28 GMT
Simply there should not be exemptions other than for people who are unable to benefit from the vaccine or would suffer as a result. But then they should be required to test on a daily basis for the week before and the week after they arrive with perhaps some element of quarantine after arrival. Exemptions are always going to annoy the vast majority of people who follow the rules and it always seems to be famous and/or wealthy who find the loopholes to benefit from the exemptions.
If they want to go somewhere without following the rules, they should buy their own island.
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Post by bromptonaut on Jan 7, 2022 15:22:04 GMT
I think Australia got it wrong granted an exemption but they did. The media and world then reacted. Novak's mistake was to let someone sort out the visa and it was done incorrectly thus giving the border control the ability to revoke that visa. As I understand it there are three parties to this. Tennis Australia (the organisers) and the State of Victoria agreed, for whatever reasons, he was exempt. They and his people lost sight of the Commonwealth (ie Federal) government's visa restrictions. Not helped by the PM and others in Commonwealth government posturing over the issue. That their doing so might have influenced decision making is exactly why Djokavich is entitled to judicial review. |
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Post by Rob on Jan 7, 2022 16:55:49 GMT
As Brompt says there are three parts to this: (1) the tournament said you needed to be vaccinated to take part although later said some medical exemptions might be possible, (2) the State of Victoria had a say over who could enter with relation to vaccine status - and they've shut borders internally over Covid and (3) the federal government's policy for visas for entry into Australia.
If this was a tennis player living in Australia who was unvaccinated then (1) and (2) meant you could play. But regardless of (1) and (2) if you were not in Australia you had to satisfy the border restrictions and I can't see how Novax can win the appeal.
And not helped by the fact the people of Australia are largely against this and it's an election year... so will the government back down?
The mixed up scenario reminds me of my first trip to Czechoslovakia. We were travelling from Germany and my brother and his colleague/friend had checked that (1) visas could be purchased on the border and (2) the border was open 24/7. What they did not ascertain was whether visas were available 24/7 whichh it turns out they were not and we crossed from Germany to Czechoslovakia and back again in the middle of the night via 'no man's land'. We got strange looks and had some explaining to do when we got back to Germany.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 17:06:19 GMT
We are seeing;
1) a successful sportsperson believing that they are above the realities of the world
2) Bureaucratic administrators enjoying playing God over the lives and actions of others
3) Politicians trying to be all things to all men and never get caught out.
.. and they're all centred on a game which regrettably commands significant revenu7es.
I've tried really hard (actually not very) but what in there am I supposed to care about or attach any importance to?
>>The mixed up scenario reminds me of my first trip to Czechoslovakia
I was first there in the late 70s. I do remember the chaos and late night crossings. I also remember trusting strange people who accepted my passport and some cash and promised to return with it stamped. They actually did, but it could have gone other directions.
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Post by Rob on Jan 7, 2022 17:43:09 GMT
The Visa to enter Czechoslovakia was obtained from the building in the middle of 'no man's land'. It was soviet era computer terminals with soldiers in great coats, carrying Kalashnikovs etc. An this was 1990! And then when you got to Prague you had to book/arrange hotel accommodation via an agency. The queue was long. In the end the other two decided we'd take up the offer of someone outside offering accommodation. After driving a while in the car (with the bloke sweating) and him giving erratic direction we decided this was not a good idea and stopped and asked him to get out. This was now on the outskirts of the city. We then went back and went to the agency and sorted rooms in a decent city centre hotel. This was all very much an experience and it was as if you'd travelled back in time. Had the cheapest beer ever there... a few pence. Beer gardens did food but usually only stew and dumplings. When asked if they did anything without meat they said dumplings... except they probably had animal suet in them  And on the way back to Frankfurt the short stay in Pilsen was like stepping out into the set of a second world war movie with building destroyed by bombs. Well they probably had been but never repaired. |
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Post by Rob on Jan 7, 2022 17:56:10 GMT
I have to say the use of Novax for him is really funny... His parents must be so glad they named him Novak so we could alter his name in this way to echo his views on vaccination.
Question though.... how does he know he's allergic to all Covid-19 vaccines? Especially the ones that are using new approaches for vaccinations like the mRNA ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 18:15:17 GMT
This might be entirely my own lack of knowledge or understanding, but how can one be allergic to all types of vaccines if one is not also allergic to the virus itself?
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Post by Rob on Jan 7, 2022 19:30:44 GMT
I can see how some vaccines may cause allergic reactions because of other things in the vaccine that has nothing to do with the vaccine itself. For example egg in a flue vaccine will be a problem with an allergy to eggs. But there's no eggs in any of the Covid-19 vaccines.
So unless there is something in the vaccines similar to that that Novax was allergic too then it can't be that. Then you can't have a problem with a modified version of the virus in a vaccine because the virus itself would be worse. And the mRNA vaccines don't even have the virus component in them as such - they trick the body to produce the cell that the body's immune system will then target to produce immunity.
If Novax had a reaction to a vaccine in the past.... not likely to be relevant to the Covid-19 vaccines. But we know he's just against vaccines.
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Post by dixinormus on Jan 10, 2022 5:56:52 GMT
I don’t think Djokovic would have embarked on the long journey to Oz if he thought his entry was in doubt. Australian officials have performed a big u-turn somewhere, or somebody up the chain has waded in to overturn a prior decision.
Now Australia can’t win either way I suspect.
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Post by dixinormus on Jan 10, 2022 7:49:30 GMT
...And the judge has ruled in Djokovic’s favour! Although it appears that Australia are threatening to come up with another reason to cancel his visa... When in a hole...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 9:06:14 GMT
The Visa to enter Czechoslovakia was obtained from the building in the middle of 'no man's land'. It was soviet era computer terminals with soldiers in great coats, carrying Kalashnikovs etc. An this was 1990! And then when you got to Prague you had to book/arrange hotel accommodation via an agency. The queue was long. In the end the other two decided we'd take up the offer of someone outside offering accommodation. After driving a while in the car (with the bloke sweating) and him giving erratic direction we decided this was not a good idea and stopped and asked him to get out. This was now on the outskirts of the city. We then went back and went to the agency and sorted rooms in a decent city centre hotel. This was all very much an experience and it was as if you'd travelled back in time. Had the cheapest beer ever there... a few pence. Beer gardens did food but usually only stew and dumplings. When asked if they did anything without meat they said dumplings... except they probably had animal suet in them  And on the way back to Frankfurt the short stay in Pilsen was like stepping out into the set of a second world war movie with building destroyed by bombs. Well they probably had been but never repaired. I like your comment about meat. Studying in the USSR with vegetarians was most amusing, if they asked for something without meat, they'd usually be given ham or chicken - if available of course given the swingeing shortages at the time. This is because the Russian word for meat only covers red meat. So poultry and pork are not considered part of this, so if you ask for no meat...you see the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 16:49:04 GMT
>> This is because the Russian word for meat only covers red meat. So poultry and pork are not considered part of this, so if you ask for no meat...you see the problem.
The same in South America. Not so much now, but 30 years ago it was a difficulty.
Kind off related when I was first in Chile G&T, Vodka & Orange and all that sort of stuff was unknown. Asking for a vodka and orange got you a large glass of vodka, a large glass of ice and a large glass of orange juice. It did wonders for the portion sizes, but I was clearly considered weird for wanting such a concoction. It still happens now rurally.
Asking for coffee, even in a posh restaurant, got you a cup of hot (ish) water, a large tin of Nescafe and a spoon. Getting cold milk in tea or coffee was impossible.
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Post by Rob on Jan 10, 2022 18:13:12 GMT
Oh dear Nescafe.... just like you'll get in Greece if you just ask for a coffee. Nasty. Once had a cup of tea in Greece.... and then found out the place used Lipton's tea bags.... Never tried to have tea again unless it's from a Yorkshire Tea bag we took with us on holiday |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 18:18:48 GMT
If one is away for extended periods, then food from home can never be more than an occasional treat. Decent tea bags can be got, but actually they're light and go in other people's suitcases.
As for Lipton's, then as you say, better without.
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Post by Rob on Jan 10, 2022 18:28:12 GMT
Once tried posting some Yorkshire Tea to my brother in the states - being so light I'd hoped it would not be too expensive. Wrong. It would have been at significant cost because of the size of packaging etc. So I didn't post it. We probably used it at the time but usually use loose leaf tea at home.
If we end up in Greece our trips back and forth to the UK will have us taking provisions.
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