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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 22, 2020 15:14:56 GMT
But JLR sales were falling everywhere including outside the EU. So is Brexit a figleaf to mask other well known problems of poor reliability and huge cost?
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2020 15:22:27 GMT
Yes, yes I expect that's it. Can't possibly be that a major downgrade in our trading terms with our biggest trading partners is having any effect on our businesses.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 30, 2020 9:34:01 GMT
I'm confused...
SOmeone on the BBC this morning saying that leaving the EU was going to cause problems for car manufacturers because if regulations become non-aligned it will make building cars more expensive.
But currently any plant in the UK making cars is making them for a worldwide market and we all know that the US regulations are totally different to EU, which are different to China and to Japan etc etc. So if we carry on as we are doing and the UK regulations gradually move away from EU regs, the cost difference and increase in complexity will be negligible.
I agree that there are some areas which will have major impacts but I don't think car manufacturing or anything similar to that (domestic appliances/power tools/IT stuff) will be affected in any great degreee.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 30, 2020 9:40:13 GMT
The cost difference caused by breaking aignment with the EU will make our exports less attractive to customers resident in our biggest trading partner's area. It's no more complicated that that. Exports will be affected, impacting jobs and the wider economy. It's pretty obvious.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 30, 2020 10:06:33 GMT
But if the majority of the production of one plant goes to the EU anyway, the cost difference will be negligible and presumably passed to those countries whose sales are very modest in number for various reasons.
Do we really not buy a car because it is 1% more expensive than a competitor. Cars are not so similar that 1% difference will affect a buying decision.
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Post by Hofmeister on Jan 30, 2020 11:14:02 GMT
But if the majority of the production of one plant goes to the EU anyway, the cost difference will be negligible and presumably passed to those countries whose sales are very modest in number for various reasons. Do we really not buy a car because it is 1% more expensive than a competitor. Cars are not so similar that 1% difference will affect a buying decision. We have several types of car plant. 1/ the major ones - Nissan, GM (PSA Now) Toyota and Ford. All produce cars for europe and europe only, using parts from europe. Big problem 2 The unique one JLR (indian owned) produces for global markets (china and usa) but uses parts sourced mainly from europe 3/ The Niche Rolls Royce - owned by BMW uses BMW parts (europe), Bentley owned by VAG uses VAG parts (europe) Aston Martin, uses extensively european parts. So as you can see, uk auto manufacturing is tied into europe at every level. With a no deal br£xit - it will more or less completely disappear from these shores. (except GM, the plant was doomed brexit or no brexit)
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 30, 2020 13:00:33 GMT
Ah - I see.
Thank you
Aston will disappear soon anyway.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 30, 2020 13:01:27 GMT
Sounds fine. Least worst option.
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Post by WDB on Jan 30, 2020 16:11:23 GMT
Price worth paying for ending the uncertainty. Good work, chaps!
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Post by Hofmeister on Jan 30, 2020 20:09:36 GMT
Aston will disappear soon anyway. Its very possible
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