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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 8, 2021 17:05:15 GMT
He's gone with RED driving school, and I think they're running newish Renault Clios. I skim-read that as ‘Jewish Renault Clios’, which made me wonder for a moment. Best not go there. 😛 If they are - the exhaust pipe is shorter than other Clios! If there is one thing worse than a lift up collar for reverse it is a gearbox with reverse being away and up next to 1st gear. The proper place for reverse is towards you and down. Any self-respecting manufacturer will put it there. (Mini - you have no self-respect). |
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Post by Humph on Dec 8, 2021 17:13:01 GMT
It’s top left in the Jeep too.
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Post by bpg on Dec 8, 2021 17:50:35 GMT
Top left probably due to the majority of cars being LHD. Pushing away from you and backwards is awkward with an armrest in there somewhere too.
Edit: Could help explain why UK drivers like Japanese cars due to them being designed and built by manufacturers based in a RHD market.
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 8, 2021 18:04:55 GMT
It’s top left in the Jeep too. Weird given that the Punto is bottom right (albeit with a collar). |
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Post by Humph on Dec 8, 2021 19:14:47 GMT
Bottom right in the Aygo
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Post by WDB on Dec 8, 2021 21:14:00 GMT
If there is one thing worse than a lift up collar for reverse… Not in a Jewish Clio, presumably. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 9:00:22 GMT
Turns out the Clio is a 71-reg, and the wheels are just black aftermarket alloys. Black car, black wheels. In the dark, in winter, for a learner. Hmm.
Laddo prefers driving his Corolla to the Clio. He says the pedals and steering are too light in the Clio and it makes him feel disconnected from the road. In the Corolla he says he feels the clutch action and steering much more clearly and he prefers it that way. I think we have the makings of a driver emerging here.
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Post by WDB on Dec 9, 2021 12:32:41 GMT
…just as such things cease to matter. 🤓
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Post by Humph on Dec 9, 2021 15:07:40 GMT
Sounds very much like H Jnr’s response. He/we gave up on paying for pro lessons after the first couple. He was much happier practising in his own car.
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Post by Humph on Dec 9, 2021 16:45:19 GMT
It’s top left in the Jeep too. Weird given that the Punto is bottom right (albeit with a collar). Six speed box in the Renegade. Sixth is bottom right. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 9, 2021 17:14:46 GMT
Ah ha... Modern fangled stuff these six speed boxes. Porsche 911 Turbo relied upon only four.
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Post by WDB on Dec 9, 2021 17:30:29 GMT
What’s a gearbox, Grandpa? 😛
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Post by Rob on Dec 9, 2021 17:42:20 GMT
I think any modern 911 with a manual gearbox will have 7 forward gears these days though. If you can find one with a manual box in a road car. WDB, there are BEV's with gearbox too you know  The Porsche Taycan for example in higher performance variants and probably and Audi too. |
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Post by WDB on Dec 9, 2021 17:51:44 GMT
Yes, Rob, I’ve read about those. But I imagine you could drive one for ten years without ever really being aware the gearbox was there. It certainly won’t be a feature in the driving test the way it is now.
How would a selector work for a seven-speed manual? Would it have to be sequential, like a motorcycle gearbox (as far as I understand such things)? I suppose you might manage an H-type gate with a fourth plane protected by a stronger spring but it would be a difficult thing to train muscle memory to.
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Post by Rob on Dec 9, 2021 18:51:39 GMT
Selector for a 7 speed manual has 7th next to 5th, i.e. still an H-Type arrangement.  |
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The Porsche Taycan for example in higher performance variants and probably and Audi too.