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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 9:07:13 GMT
In due course I suppose. All in good time etc…
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Post by WDB on Nov 23, 2021 9:36:58 GMT
I took my test in '86, down through the gears, handbrake on and in to neutral. If you sat with the car in gear riding the clutch, my Dad would have told you in no uncertain terms how much a clutch and release bearings cost and who would be footing the bill. I was taught to use the gears to slow the car on long descents where the footbrake is your backup. Cook the brakes and you have no backup. Yes, but neither of those is what I called wrong. Riding the clutch at biting point is clearly damaging; waiting a few seconds with the pedal fully depressed, rather less so. Holding a low gear during a descent is good technique for the reasons you mention, if it’s restraining the car rather than actually slowing it. Both are very different from changing sequentially down while the car decelerates. Just wait till you know what gear you’ll need next, drop the clutch and select it. Or buy an EV and wonder why anyone ever worried about this. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 23, 2021 9:58:52 GMT
I used to do a bit of engine breaking on my first car - a MkII Fiesta. Turns out the engine mounts weren't quite right so the engine would move a bit.... and I snapped the exhaust  Exhaust fixed (new down pipe) and engine mounts replaced. Not sure an EV at the moment is the best car to learn in. |
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 10:10:21 GMT
Right well then, to be or not be, is that the question?
Toyota or not?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 10:19:39 GMT
I may mosey down there this lunchtime and try to twist his arm on the price in person. I loathe negotiating, and particularly loathe doing it on the phone. Which is why I wasn't much cop at Sales, particularly telephone sales.
He really is asking too much, which is why he's still got it. There's nothing else wrong with it apart from DCR and the comedy tyres.
I've been a bit distracted the last week playing Kirstie and Phil, trying to find an apartment for my sister to buy without her viewing it (she's a long way abroad and going even further abroad in January for another 2 years, but is despearate for a Thames Valley base). I think we cracked that one yesterday, an offer is going in for that today. Mercifully she can do that on the phone, I'm not engaging in the financial negotiations.
Busy busy. More fun spending someone else's money though.
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Post by WDB on Nov 23, 2021 10:33:11 GMT
You may already know this and still not like doing it, but the negotiation will go better if you can make the seller feel he’s getting something from you in exchange for reducing the price.
In this case, you can explain that the car needs better tyres, so you feel that £n-200 would be fair (where £n is the price you’re actually willing to pay.) But you have the money ready and you can move as soon as you agree the price. He knows he’s had the car too long, so ought to be willing to play ball.
The thing that really annoys me as a seller (not of cars but lower-value stuff I’ve offloaded through classifieds) is “What’s your best price?” It’s not my job to drop the price, it’s yours to persuade me that I should.
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 10:35:35 GMT
Decide what your bottom line is and stick to it. Don’t be swayed.
Make an offer lower than that and then you can “reluctantly” accept the figure you have set. If they won’t budge, just walk.
Smile a lot, people are very much easier with someone who seems “nice”.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 10:43:46 GMT
He's asking £1695 - I think that, with the tyres and brakes sorted, I'd be happy to pay £1500. He has already told me he's got a tame garage who can sort these things. So, using WDB's method, I think I should say I'm willing to pay £1100, or £1500 if the stated work is included - because I estimate I'd have to pay £400 to get it done myself. But that doesn't really leave me any room if he says no.
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 10:47:21 GMT
I’d go in with an offer of £1300. He’ll say £1600.
Reckon you’d get to £1500 ( maybe £1450 )
North of £1500, walk.
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Post by bpg on Nov 23, 2021 10:50:20 GMT
We've been looking for new dining chairs and sofas for a while now.
Strange experience, it felt more like being in a North African bazaar than dealing with western European furniture companies.
We left the first company as felt like it was let's take advantage of the Ausländer season. We went to a second store more clued up. Worked out the price, salesman then did the car salesman tactic let me go talk to my manager about a discount, came back with 20% off, asked for another 10% - let me go talk to my manager, are you buying today ? frigmarole - deal done. Yes, I could probably have got a little but more off, we were happy enough with the price and the company is obviously still making enough for the deal to be worth doing. Some people like to keep going until the pips squeak, I'd rather the company remain in business for future purchases if they sell what I want/need.
Lead time for furniture here is similar to waiting for a car. The options list for our KIA was shorter than the dining chairs options list.
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
Not that it matters because you don’t want one, but just one final time, I still think you’d be better with a C1/107/Aygo.
Insurance, VED and fuel consumption alone pretty compelling.
Easy as an easy thing to drive and park and reliable as they come. Cheap tyres, cheap services too.
But anyway, good luck today if you do decide to go after the other one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 11:06:05 GMT
I’d go in with an offer of £1300. He’ll say £1600. Reckon you’d get to £1500 ( maybe £1450 ) North of £1500, walk. Including the brakes and tyres? |
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 11:07:52 GMT
Think I’d rather get the brakes and tyres sorted myself. He’s going to do the least he can.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 11:10:43 GMT
Hmm. In that case I'd want to pay less than £1500. It's not a £1900 car with that work done.
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Post by Humph on Nov 23, 2021 11:13:47 GMT
For what it’s worth, or not😉, it’s a lot of money anyway for an old car.
Your call of course, but I wouldn’t buy it for any amount that involved four numbers before the decimal point.
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Exhaust fixed (new down pipe) and engine mounts replaced.