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Post by WDB on Sept 13, 2018 7:01:44 GMT
Stupid name, but it’s got me interested. I’ve made a test drive appointment for the week after next in Basingstoke, which has more good driving roads than Reading or Slough.
Space is the big deal. It claims a bigger boot than the CLS, and proper big-car rear legroom. Headroom in the back is a concern, given the roof line, but there’s one way to find out.
Report to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 8:08:54 GMT
I saw one on the road the other day, was queued behind it at some traffic lights. What a bleeding shame it's a blasted SUV. Oh well, zero chance of me affording one so hey ho.
Bored of the CLS already?
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Post by WDB on Sept 13, 2018 8:39:27 GMT
Not at all, just curious. And it’s not a very tall SUV, and I’d hope the low-down battery weight would counteract the topply, jiggly feeling that makes me dislike driving a tall vehicle.
Question is, for maximum fawning from the sales team, do I arrive in the ‘prestigious’ CLS (which is what I entered in ‘current car’ part of the enquiry form) or the electric i3? I don’t suppose they’ll actually notice either way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 9:36:42 GMT
i3. It'll look like more of an upgrade scenario.
Or the CLS. It'll look like...just the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:09:20 GMT
I would imagine that they see a CLS owner as part of their target market. Perhaps more likely to be changing their vehicle to an electric Jag than someone who already has an EV.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:25:30 GMT
"I've come in the wife's i3, which is so good it's convinced me to look in to trading the bigger family car for an I-Pace, Mr Saleswonk."
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Post by lygonos on Sept 13, 2018 10:38:28 GMT
I would think the CLS.
Waiting time is well into 2019 now.
Real range is probably around 220 miles.
Don't waste your time trying to haggle.
I expect if you drive it you will want it, and getting back into the i3 will be a disappointment!
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Post by WDB on Sept 13, 2018 10:42:54 GMT
I saw two in Amsterdam last week, both lhd but GB-registered. Covered in stickers that suggested they were on some kind of corporate mission — can’t remember the name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 12:12:21 GMT
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Post by WDB on Sept 14, 2018 12:32:12 GMT
The i3 is on a BMW PCP. The interest is minimal and there was an inducement from BMW, so it made no sense to do anything else.
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Post by WDB on Sept 28, 2018 15:17:31 GMT
]I expect if you drive it you will want it, and getting back into the i3 will be a disappointment! I went. I drove it. And now I want one. What did I like? Very little adjustment required in driving style from the i3, apart from using my left hand instead of my right to select R or D — and even that wouldn’t apply in a left-hand-drive market. It’s just as easy to drive with one pedal — although it’s more likely than the i3 to require a touch of friction to complete a stop — and it has the same easy urge at any sensible road speed. Inside it’s more like the CLS’s Euro-technocrat style than the i3’s minimalist-luxe. To be honest, I didn’t take in much of the interior; I got comfortable easily (full electric seats in this SE) and had a decent view out. I did try getting in behind myself, which I could — although if Jaguar made a LWB model, that’s the one I’d choose. Headroom was OK, though — even with a Humph-friendly glass roof. Decent boot too, but again not in Mercedes territory, and a long way off the ground. But I want one because of how it feels on the road. It’s beautifully smooth and poised, not the least bit jiggly but with no sign of the excessive softness that the CLS occasionally shows from its ‘Comfort’ springs. We did a 20-mile circuit of Hampshire roads I know well from 25 years ago, which threw up a couple of overtaking opportunities. Neither would have worried either of my cars but the Jaguar snaffled both with panache and lots of road to spare. Apparently it has a sort of interior whoosh generator for drivers who might miss the sound of eight cylinders, all mine, but someone before us had turned it off and it sounded just fine to me. Why make noise when you don’t need to? I’ve said here many times that I don’t like the SUV ‘form factor’ (sorry) because tall cars tend to be either wallowy or jiggly. This one isn’t as tall as either of Jaguar’s fossil SUVs (there was an I in the showroom, between an E and an F) but it’s still taller than the i3 but you simply wouldn’t know on the road. Nor would you know that it’s 300kg heavier than the already hefty CLS; it never felt ponderous or unwieldy. I know I need to beware of my own tendency to be bowled over by the latest, shiniest thing I see, but this is a hugely impressive piece of kit. If there were to be a ‘Grande’ version, maybe 200mm longer, shared equally between rear seat and boot, I’d already be asking where to sign.
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Post by Avant on Sept 28, 2018 23:12:07 GMT
The I-Pace will come into its own when we hve a proper charging infrastructure in this country. According to the Autocar road test a couple of weeks ago, the realistic range is about 200 miles (not brilliant for a brand new design) but it might satisfy some if 100kW chargers were available. Autocar says these could restore 80% of capacity in 40 minutes.
Presumably JLR believe that these will come, and come soon, as Jaguar seem to be going down the pure EV route rather than plug-in hybrids, which for our needs are the only realistic alternative to pure petrol, at least for the moment. Coincidentally I've done several longish trips from home in Dorset all in the past few weeks - to Edinburgh, Suffolk, Berkshire (twice) and rural Derbyshire: all done in the fast, comfortable Q2 (2.0 petrol) which only needs a fill-up every 400-450 miles.
I want the freedom of choice to be able to do trips like that, but I would like to do what I can for the environment. We'll get there I'm sure, but I'm not sure when. That time will be when we can talk about EVs without having to mention range - an essentially boring topic!
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Post by WDB on Sept 29, 2018 9:05:25 GMT
But you don’t imagine that isn’t going to happen, do you? Shell is already committed to it, and the mainstream makers all have full EVs in the, erm, pipeline. None of this is accident or whim.
In any case, I reckon the I-P is already good enough for 80% of users. There’ll be the odd outlier like Humph, who routinely does 400-mile days, but most of us who drive that far at all do so a couple of times a year and could compensate with a bit of route planning. Even a 7kW charger like ours at home adds about 40 miles of range per hour of charging; 50kW DC charging will fill even the 90 kWh I-P battery in 100 minutes or so, and fill the i3 in the time it takes to eat lunch; about 120 range miles per hour for the I-P and more like 180 for the i3.
What this means is that even our 400 miles from Ravensburg to Liège last month would have required only one stop in an I-Pace. (In the CLS we stopped three times, mainly for biological reasons and once for diesel.) This year, that would have required a little planning; next summer, I reckon we’d just turn up and plug in.
And that’s just the annual summer road trip. We never drive that far in a day in the UK; 270 miles to the in-laws in Durham is about the limit. Once the Yorkshire Sculpture Park installs DC chargers, that’s our lunch stop covered.
The rest of the time, we just drive. The reason for having the CLS as well as the i3 is not, for the most part, range but space; we use it when we need to take more people and/or stuff than will fit in the little car.
I really can’t see plug-in hybrids — or the other kind that Toyota absurdly calls ‘self-charging hybrids’ — enduring beyond the next couple of years. There may be a few more range-extender types like our i3 — in some ways that principle would work better in a larger car — but the complexity and weight of multi-way gearboxes and plural clutches isn’t a serious way forward.
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Post by Humph on Sept 29, 2018 9:35:53 GMT
I really want, but really don't need, and really couldn't live with, the new Suzuki Jimny.
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Post by Avant on Sept 29, 2018 10:26:29 GMT
Humph junior needs to save up for one, then his dad can enjoy it in the same way he enjoys the Aygo, without having to live with it all the time.
I'm not being an electro-sceptic, WDB: I agree that it will come but it's a question of when. I'd like to see it as much as you. It already works well for people like you and Alanovic, with one car out of your two being an EV (it would work for us too if SWMBO were willing to drive an automatic). But at the moment I don't fancy spending 40 minutes at a motorway service area, with the chance of the chargers being either occupied or out of order.
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