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Post by Humph on Sept 29, 2018 11:41:46 GMT
Good suggestion Avant, or, I could I suppose, persuade Mrs H that she doesn't need such a big car now that her nest is empty.
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Post by WDB on Oct 1, 2018 7:59:08 GMT
I really want, but really don't need, and really couldn't live with, the new Suzuki Jimny. Even I rather like that, but I’ve no idea what I’d use it for. That sort of vehicle would be a good use-case for electric power; there’s no way you’d want to drive it for 200 miles, so a 40 kWh battery and 120 miles of range would do just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 8:11:23 GMT
I just don't think I could be seen in a Jag now in case someone assumes I'm one of "them".
Noting the irony of my current avatar, of course.
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Post by lygonos on Oct 1, 2018 9:00:18 GMT
Even worse they might think you were John Prescott.
Champagne f**king "socialist" that he is.
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Post by commerdriver on Oct 1, 2018 10:06:17 GMT
"I really can’t see plug-in hybrids — or the other kind that Toyota absurdly calls ‘self-charging hybrids’ — enduring beyond the next couple of years. There may be a few more range-extender types like our i3 — in some ways that principle would work better in a larger car — but the complexity and weight of multi-way gearboxes and plural clutches isn’t a serious way forward."
I see phev's as a valid transition to EV as well as a valid compromise for many people for at least the next 10 years until we have a proper public charging network and until prices come down a fair amount. A significant percentage of real people do not have the ability to charge at home and cannot sensibly choose an EV without a reliable access to charging. Long term, once that is fixed, EV will be on the way to becoming the sensible way to go. Extra weight of gearboxes etc makes very little difference to modern cars, mine performs and handles pretty well the same as my previous tdi despite the weight of 2 engines, a battery, and a complicated set of transmission & control kit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 10:12:59 GMT
If I had the money, I would replace our Merc with a plug in hybrid. Probably a Volvo V60 diesel/electric job. But I don't so I'm not going to. I want to like the Bitsomushi Outlander, but having driven on it's just so sloooooooooooow. And that's it, there's nothing out there yet in the estate car category, under 20k, to wibble my thrustlepouch. Merc C350e estate is another one I suppose, but too expensive still.
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Post by WDB on Oct 1, 2018 16:04:42 GMT
An I-P SE with a few options and the CLS as deposit generated a Jaguar Finance quote of £607 a month for three years. That’s a lot, and a lot more than the i3 costs us — not a fair comparison, obvs. But the interest rate is: Jaguar’s is 6.8%, BMW’s is 0.67%.
As for plug-in EVs, for people who can’t charge at home, they’re less useful than a BEV. The good thing about a PHEV is that it can avoid burning petrol for the piddling, polluting stop-start journeys that are all many cars do in some weeks. But to achieve that, the car has to leave home fully charged; rely on public charging and it wastes half of it just getting home again.
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Post by commerdriver on Oct 1, 2018 16:42:47 GMT
Jumping to conclusions slightly WDB, I usually get home with 25+ miles in the battery to use at the weekend from charging at work after I have done the local running around here. Also I can charge free at the local leisure centre 2 miles from home for a 50p parking charge or at a reasonable charge with no parking payment in central Marlow, not quite "half of it". A fully electric vehicle would not come anywhere close to being enough for me at the moment, maybe a few years from now when my needs and the charging infrastructure coincide a bit better. My car never has a week of entirely local, stop start journeys. You may be right about BEV's being right for some people, they are not ra match for my requirements yet, the hybrid Golf is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 8:12:10 GMT
90% of my annual mileage could easily be covered using an electric car with a range of at least 120 miles. The 10% is for longer cross country trips, not necessarily on the motorway network although as they are only about one weeks worth of driving, I could rent a car.
The stumbling block for me, is that my lovely E350 is in excellent condition, only 46,000 miles in seven years and I see no reason to change it at the moment. I might in a couple of years time, but like I ran the S-Max for five years I can see my running the Merc for five years plus. I'm starting to like bangernomics...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 8:56:18 GMT
Blimey, I'd say your Merc is far from banger territory.
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Post by WDB on Oct 2, 2018 10:55:02 GMT
Blimey, I'd say your Merc is far from banger territory. It is, but its depreciation curve will have flattened out usefully. Our S211 E220 needed very little in non-routine items in years 4-9 that we had it, and I’d expect Esp’s S212 to be similarly durable. It helps that we both had our cars from a ‘known good’ state, which is very different from buying a complex car when it’s already old because most problems can be dealt with as they develop and before they become expensive. That’s not to say you don’t need a contingency plan, though. The Aporoved Used warranty on the CLS expires this month and I’m wondering whether to seek an aftermarket solution or simply self-insure. The four-digit bill I avoided when the 325’s climate control went rogue tilts me towards the former option.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 12:35:21 GMT
Aye but warranties themselves ain't half expensive, Mum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 13:10:26 GMT
I'm crossing all limbs ands digits to avoid the large bill. Not sure I'm meant to do all this crossing stuff, but I'll take any help I can get. I have no confidence in warranties, especially aftermarket ones for older cars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:44:26 GMT
>>The Aporoved Used warranty on the CLS expires this month and I’m wondering whether to seek an aftermarket solution or simply self-insure
Is there a continuing Mercedes approved product available?
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Post by WDB on Oct 2, 2018 15:07:00 GMT
Not clear. BMW was very keen to sell me its carry-on warranty for the 325. I bought it — then sold the car less than halfway through, but never mind. I asked to include a second year in the deal when I bought the car and was assured that was ‘not allowed’ but it’s exactly what I’d done with the BMW two years before.
A quick look suggests MB does have something very similar to the BMW offering. I’ll investigate when I’m home from my trip at the end of the week.
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