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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 14:32:06 GMT
Just following on from T&E's tales from the hard shoulder ( buried in the Brexit thread, but I suppose, in fairness, he was trying to exit Britain at the time )
I do like a ferry, much prefer them to aeroplanes if available. I use the Holyhead-Dublin route a fair bit, sometimes the Cairnryan-Belfast crossing and of course the Dover-Calais run.
By and large it's just so much more civilised than an airport, you don't usually have to get undressed before you get on board, they don't get all bent out of shape if you're early or late and ( if you've got the right sort of ticket ) just let you get on the next available one. On board food is generally ok with proper knives and forks, and you get to use your own car rather than some shonky renter.
Theres no baggage restrictions and the roads in France and Ireland are a pleasure to use after the privations of the U.K. Infrastructure. I always prefer to travel that way if time allows.
In fact, this next week I'll be in Ireland and when I return, after a few days I'll be driving to Milan. It's quite a run, but I don't mind crossing the odd Alp on a nice day with my sunroof open and some pleasing music to accompany the views.
I'm using the tunnel for the Italy trip, really only to save a bit of time, I'd rather be on a ferry in truth, but I'll give it a go. Haven't used it for a while now. Doesn't feel natural somehow, all that water on top of you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
All great, unless you suffer from sea sickness. Which I do. And the wife and children.
Seeing as how you can't guarantee a smooth crossing, it's the tunnel for me, although we got away with it on the Newhaven-Dieppe ferry in May. Water was like a mirror and we had a great trip. Rough seas in and out would have put a massive kink in the weekend away.
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 14:50:43 GMT
Never bothered me, I'm the guy tucking into a fried breakfast while others are hanging over the side losing theirs ! The hovercrafts used to be properly bouncy but I sort of enjoyed that in an odd kind of way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 14:57:00 GMT
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 15:02:31 GMT
Don't mind a good bridge either. The Danes are good at those.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 15:32:44 GMT
But unless you go to Tacoma, bridges don't bounce.
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 15:40:43 GMT
Is it possible to drive from the UK to Israel? I suppose it must be. Do you know anyone who has done it Espada? Wonder what the best route would be...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 16:29:40 GMT
Head southwest toward Old Edinburgh Rd
Turn left onto Old Edinburgh Rd
Continue onto Beechgrove
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Academy Rd/A701
Continue to follow A701
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto the A74(M) ramp to Carlisle
Merge onto A74(M)
Continue onto M6
Keep right at the fork to stay on M6
Keep right to continue on M6 Toll
Keep right at the fork to stay on M6 Toll
Merge onto M42
At junction 3A, exit onto M40 toward London/Warwick/Stratford
At junction 1A, take the M25(S) exit to M4/M23/Heathrow Airport
Merge onto M25
Keep right to continue on M26, follow signs for M20/Dover/Channel Tunnel/Maidstone/Hastings/Sevenoaks/A21
Merge onto M20
At junction 11A, exit toward Channel Tunnel
Continue onto Vehicle Departure Rd
Turn left
Slight right
Take the Channel Tunnel train to Coquelles
Sharp right
Turn right
Keep left to continue on Avenue de France
Keep right at the fork and merge onto A16
Merge onto A16
Continue onto E40
At the interchange 11-17-Groot-Bijgaarden, keep right and follow signs for E40/E19 toward E411/Namen/Luik/Antwerpen/Luchthaven Zaventem
Merge onto E19
Keep left at the fork to continue on E40
Keep right at the fork to stay on E40, follow signs for Luik/Leuven/Brussel
Keep left to stay on E40
Continue onto A44/E40
Take the exit onto A4
At the interchange 15-Dreieck Heumar, keep left and follow signs for A3 toward Frankfurt a.M./Siegburg
Keep left to stay on A3
Keep right at the fork to stay on A3, follow signs for A9/Regensburg/Prag/Tschechien/Amberg/Berlin/Dresden
Continue onto A8
Keep left at the fork to continue on A25, follow signs for Wien/Linz/Wels-Nord/Zentrum
At the interchange Knoten Haid, keep left and follow signs for A1/E55/E60 toward Wien/Linz/Ungarn/Tschechien
Merge onto A1
Keep right at the fork, follow signs for A21/E60/Wien-Flughafen/Ungarn/Slowakei/Slowenien/Italien/A2/Graz/Wien-Süd Ost/Steinhäusl
Continue onto A21
Keep left
Keep right to continue toward S1
Continue onto S1
At the interchange Knoten Schwechat, keep right and follow signs for A4/E58/E60 toward Flughafen/Bratislava/Slowakei/Ungarn/Budapest
Merge onto A4/E58
Continue to follow A4
Continue onto M1
Take the M0 exit toward Balaton/Szeged
Keep left and merge onto M0
Keep left to continue on E60/E71
Continue onto E60/E71/M0
Take exit 31 for M5/E60/E75 toward 405
Keep right at the fork and merge onto E60/M5
Keep left to stay on M5
Continue onto А1
Pass by Border Crossing Horgoš (on the left in 0.2 mi)
Take the E70/Сремска Митровица/Sremska Mitrovica exit toward Zagreb
Keep left at the fork, follow signs for Нови Београд
Keep right at the fork, follow signs for Beograd
Keep left at the fork to continue toward E75
Continue onto E75
Continue onto А1
Take the exit toward Sofia/Niš
Continue onto А4
Pass by the gas station (on the left in 13.5 mi)
Turn right onto А4/Е80
Merge onto А4
Pass by Паркинг (on the right in 10.7 mi)
Slight right
Merge onto А4
Continue onto Route 8
Continue onto бул. „Европа“
Continue straight onto бул. „Европа“/Route 8
Keep left to stay on бул. „Европа“/Route 8
At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto ул. „Околовръстен път“/Route 18
Take the ramp onto Северна Скоростна тангента
Exit onto ул. „Околовръстен път“/Route 1/Route 18/Route 6
Take the A1/E80 ramp to Plovdiv/Svilengrad
Continue onto Автомагистрала „Тракия“/A1
Take the Route 66 exit toward Popovitsa/Svilengrad
Continue onto Автомагистрала Марица/A4/А4
Continue onto Автомагистрала Марица
Continue onto E80
Slight right to merge onto E80
Continue straight to stay on E80
Slight right onto Edirne - Kapıkule Yolu/D100/E80
Keep left to continue on Avrupa Otoyolu/O-3/E80
Keep left to continue on E80
Keep right at the fork to stay on E80, follow signs for Sabiha Gökçen Havalimanı/Kocaeli/Ankara/O-4
Continue onto E89
Continue onto Ankara Çevre Yolu/O-20/E90
Exit onto Ankara Konya Yolu/D750/E90 toward Gölbaşı/Konya/Adana
Merge onto Ankara Konya Yolu/D750/E90
Continue straight onto Ankara Konya Yolu/D260/D750/E90
Continue to follow D260/D750/E90
Take the exit toward Ankara-Konya Yolu Yanyolu
Continue onto Ankara-Konya Yolu Yanyolu
Slight right onto Ankara Cd./D260/D750/E90
Keep left to stay on Ankara Cd./D260/D750/E90
Continue to follow D750/E90
Take the ramp to Adana Konya Yolu
Keep right at the fork and merge onto Adana Konya Yolu
Continue onto O-21A/E90
Take the exit onto Tarsus-Ankara Otoyolu/O-21/E90
Take the exit on the left onto E90
Take the exit toward Adana-İskenderun Otoyolu/Ceyhan-İskenderun Otoyolu/O-53/E91
Continue onto Adana-İskenderun Otoyolu/Ceyhan-İskenderun Otoyolu/O-53/E91
Take the exit toward E91
Continue onto E91
Slight left to stay on E91
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit
Take the ramp on the left to Girne Cd/Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Continue onto Girne Cd/Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn right toward Girne Cd/Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn left toward Girne Cd/Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn right onto Girne Cd/Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Continue to follow Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn right toward Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn left toward Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Turn right onto Hatay İskenderun Yolu/D817/E91
Continue to follow E91
Slight right to stay on E91
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Çevre Yolu/D817/E91
Continue to follow Çevre Yolu/D817
Continue straight to stay on Çevre Yolu/D817
Keep left to stay on Çevre Yolu/D817
Continue to follow D817
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto Antakya Yayladağı Yolu/D825/E91
At the roundabout, continue straight
Slight left toward Antakya Yayladağı Yolu/D825/E91
At the roundabout, continue straight onto Antakya Yayladağı Yolu/D825/E91
Continue to follow D825/E91
Continue onto Route 1
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit
At the roundabout, continue straight onto Al Jumhoriyh
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto Tripoli
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto Halap
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto M1
Take the exit onto Ring Rd
Keep right at the fork
Merge onto Damascus - Aleppo Hwy/M5
Continue onto M5
Keep left to continue on Almotahalik Aljanobi/Southern Bypass
Take the ramp to M45
Continue onto M45
Continue onto M5
Continue onto Damascus Hwy/Route 15/Route 45M
Exit onto Route 232
Turn left
Turn right onto Route 10
Take the exit toward Amman/Jarash
Merge onto Route 25
Turn right (signs for Al Husn)
Slight right onto Route 35
Turn left
Turn right onto Route 55
Make a U-turn
Turn right
Turn left
Turn right
Turn left
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit
Turn left onto Jordan Valley Hwy/Route 65
Turn right onto Sheikh Hussein Bridge Rd (signs for Jordan Valley Cross)
Turn right to stay on Sheikh Hussein Bridge Rd
Continue onto Route 71
Partial restricted usage road
Turn right onto Route 71/Route 90
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto Route 71
At the roundabout, take the 1st exit and stay on Route 71
At the roundabout, take the 2nd exit and stay on Route 71
Keep left to continue on Route 675
Turn left onto Route 65
Slight right to merge onto Yitzhak Rabin Hwy/Route 6
Keep left at the fork to stay on Yitzhak Rabin Hwy/Route 6, follow signs for South
Keep right to continue on Route 40
Turn left to stay on Route 40
Turn left onto Route 224
Israel
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 17:57:50 GMT
There you go, might need to stop for petrol a couple of times I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:18:40 GMT
Really? I thought you had one of them there economic Mercedes. Surely what you save in carrying all that weight of the extra cylinders must help you?
You should probably try and take a bit of weight out of the wheels as well.
More seriously, what a really great drive that would be. I think I might stick that on my bucket list. I barely know Israel so that's an incentive.
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2018 18:24:01 GMT
Well, I was pleased to see that you decided to start from Edinburgh and didn't make the rookie error of choosing the A702 ! The '701 is much more fun and quicker. Would have knocked a good 10 minutes off the journey, might not have needed to stop after all...
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Post by WDB on Aug 30, 2018 18:50:09 GMT
All great, unless you suffer from sea sickness. Which I do. And the wife and children. I have the latter problem too. But not the seasickness. 🤓 |
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Post by Rob on Aug 30, 2018 21:57:45 GMT
>> There you go, might need to stop for petrol a couple of times I suppose.
Try it in a Nissan Leaf - that's a challenge.
But would you drive via Syria? Google certainly would route you that way, e.g. Almotahalik Aljanobi/Southern Bypass.
Talking of Google... I used Android Auto on the way home this afternoon because I knew there were holdups and wanted up to date options.... The red and amber holdups you could see on the map were basically 100% accurate. As was the estimated arrival time. The journey with no traffic or accidents would be about 45 minutes. It took 1 hour 25 minutes.
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Post by Rob on Aug 30, 2018 22:02:54 GMT
Also active cruise control was used.... and traffic jam assist for when we were stop start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 5:41:41 GMT
Slight problem with Otto's route to Israel...It goes through Syria.
Otherwise perfect.
Actually, I'd love to do it. Perhaps the best way it to get to Piraeus and then get a ferry to Cyprus and then the car needs to go by ship as cargo to Haifa. The other issue is no RHD cars permitted.
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