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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:11:17 GMT
Oh no doubt. But after all the discounts, contribution etc, I bet the cash price was a long way north of £9k, and a PCP would have been a bit more than £150 a month. I didn't want to spend much more than that, in order to keep it a net financial benefit over fuelling the Merc. I wouldn't have bought another car at all if it hadn't worked out cheaper to buy than to fuel/service/continually repair the Merc. I'd have fixed the Mazda and soldiered on. There won't be much flex in my cash flow until the children are out of education. Which is about another 11 years.
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Post by WDB on Dec 12, 2017 15:24:24 GMT
Fear not, Jezza will fix all that. Your swanky pipe-organ school will become a comprehensive, and universities will be free to all, regardless of income or ability.
Incidentally, is there a worse, or less musical, instrument than the church organ? Yes, it can make an impressive amount of noise - see Also Sprach Zarathustra - but it is impossible to play with any semblance of rhythm or timing, without which it is not music Even a vuvuzela can do rhythm, for heaven's sake! I'd rather go to a bagpipes concert than an organ recital - though I'd probably choose a morning at the dentist over either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:34:54 GMT
Incidentally, is there a worse, or less musical, instrument than the church organ? I imagine the chainsaw must run it close if not trump it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:36:37 GMT
Ah. I was about to say "bagpipes", before you said "bagpipes". And that's from a plastic Jock.
(It's not my swanky pipe organ school, nor that of my children, and it never will be. They're going to have to scrape by on roughly half the fees the pipe organ place charges.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:41:55 GMT
>>Incidentally, is there a worse, or less musical, instrument than the church organ?
If it is played properly, it is great. Its just very, very difficult and complicated to play properly. The little one started toying with the one up at the local village church under the auspices of the actual organ player a few years ago. She never got very good, she took up the drums instead [don't ask me] but listening to her play with the real organ person was impressive. An organ can sound great, very stirring and emotional.
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Post by lygonos on Dec 12, 2017 17:05:51 GMT
Ah. I was about to say "bagpipes", before you said "bagpipes". And that's from a plastic Jock. (It's not my swanky pipe organ school, nor that of my children, and it never will be. They're going to have to scrape by on roughly half the fees the pipe organ place charges.)
A truly hideous din when played by novices.
But hair-standingly effective in the hands of a master/masters at close range.
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 12, 2017 17:10:41 GMT
But hair-standingly effective in the hands of a master/masters at close range. ...I couldn't find a better description....
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Post by Hofmeister on Dec 12, 2017 18:54:02 GMT
Bagpipes are hideous, designed that way to scare the bejesus out of enemies. However like a very well played bugle, at a given time, place and reason it will bring a wee tear to your eye. And they don't need to be Jocks playing it.
Canadian Pipers, Menem Gate Leper 23rd April 2015, 100 anniversary to the day of my great grandfathers death at the second battle of Ypres
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Post by WDB on Dec 13, 2017 16:21:24 GMT
Once you twig how much dosh it saves you in fuel, you'll only ever grudgingly get in the other car. Certainly true. I got the BMW Connected Drive and i Remote apps working today and pulled out our usage and energy stats for the 200 miles we've done so far. Energy cost averages about 3.4p a mile. I remember in 2003 running the S60 on super-cheap French gazole for the first time. That felt almost free but was probably about 6p a mile. This, of course, won't last once 'electric car' goes the way of 'digital camera' but it's mighty nice while it does. I have a 25-mile round trip to make this evening and I'm going to take the CLS - hardly grudgingly but mainly because it needs a run. The i3 would be the better horse for the course, though. Meanwhile I lost the slot next week to get the Wallbox installed, while Chargemaster mislaid the pictures I'd sent them. It'll be the 28th now, not that 3-pin charging is a major chore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:28:14 GMT
Now that reminds me of a question I wanted to ask.
How important is it to get the fast charger? Especially with the REx? Assuming that you don't run the car down to zero charge each day, how long does it take to get you back to full charge after you get back home in the evening?
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Post by WDB on Dec 13, 2017 18:01:32 GMT
For us it probably isn't essential, at least from a charge-maintenance point of view. But the car lives outside, and the nearest 13A socket is behind the garage door. This puts restrictions on where on the drive we can park the cars; we'd actually prefer to park the i3 on the side nearer the front door where, being shorter, it can escape the detritus from the tree beside the drive, but the standard cable won't reach that far. The Wallbox will be mounted on the front wall and will have enough cable to reach either side.
As we begin to venture further afield, I can foresee occasions when we get the car home and want it charged again later in the day, so the option of a 3-hour fill up will be useful then.
And it just seems neater than running a cable under the garage door. BMW has promised inductive charging as a retrofit option for the i3 next year, and the Wallbox will be able to supply the mat. Cars are electric now, so it makes sense to have the right charging hardware at home.
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Post by bromptonaut on Dec 13, 2017 21:15:02 GMT
Bagpipes are hideous, designed that way to scare the bejesus out of enemies. However like a very well played bugle, at a given time, place and reason it will bring a wee tear to your eye. And they don't need to be Jocks playing it. Canadian Pipers, Menem Gate Leper 23rd April 2015, 100 anniversary to the day of my great grandfathers death at the second battle of Ypres Don't forget The Clearances. Many Scots, of all heritages, ended up in Canada. Still a Gaelic community in New Brunswick. Flying to Texas last Spring our landfall to the American continent took us over places with Gaelic place names like Antigonish. Mountains divide us, and the waste of seas Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland And we in dreams behold the Hebrides!
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Post by Avant on Dec 13, 2017 23:11:08 GMT
Clearly you don't like the church organ, WDB, but to say that 'it is impossible to play with any semblance of rhythm or timing' is so obviously untrue that it's hardly worth a reply. Just listen on Youtube to one of the major Bach organ works, or for something lighter and more fun, but extremely rhythmical, try Lefebure-Wely - Sortie in B flat.
Any instrument played badly (including the human voice) will upset a listener: but you don't have to be a professional player to play well enough to please people. I've played the organ for church services for 50 years and never (yet!) been asked not to come back! Just as when you write something, you need to think of the person or people reading it, so when you play, or sing, in public you need to think of the listeners.
I don't personally much like the sound of the bagpipes (I believe the definition of a Scottish gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipes but doesn't) but many people play them well and I would never say that any instrument is impossible to play with any semblance of rhythm or timing - even the vuvuzela. And Nogbad's point about Ypres is very well made.
Maybe dear old Dynamic Dave (former moderator on HJ, now on Car4play) had a point after all - perhaps we're more civilised when we stick to cars.
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Post by Rob on Dec 13, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
Jonathon Scott is pretty good on the organ... the impressive Bridgewater Hall organ looks complicated but can play some fine pieces:
This was the first YouTube clip I found and it seems to be snippets of him playing. I was probably at that concert. It was excellent.
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Post by Rob on Dec 13, 2017 23:40:03 GMT
We had this played at the church at our wedding
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