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Post by WDB on Jan 14, 2022 14:15:20 GMT
A: Easier trade with India? Broadly a good thing.
B: Much harder trade with our nearest neighbours? Entirely a bad thing.
Worth having A without B? Definitely
Worth B to get A? Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 14:21:45 GMT
I quite agree with that.
It does kind of show though that there was little wrong with our membership with the EU beyond our own approach to it. I think membership of some kind of European trade/Movement agreement is inevitable in the future, though I expect it will creep in, let's hope we do a better job of managing both it and all our other international arrangements.
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Post by bpg on Jan 14, 2022 18:16:24 GMT
As I understand it, the plan is to remove the skills cap and salary limit from the visa allowing anyone who has skills for positions that require filling.
Perfect for privately run care homes for example to import staff previously sourced from low cost EU countries.
My experience of working with Indian people is they are very motivated and ambitious. Many will not be heading to the UK to fill the lower end of the jobs market.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 17, 2022 17:35:45 GMT
I was very surprised by the Leave vote in certain areas where the main economic driver was export to Europe. Anyone could see it was going to be harder under Brexit than in the EU.
I wonder if more Philipino nurses and the like will come here. We had Philipino carers looking after my mother for 18 months and then a lovely girl in Israel loking after Dad for four months in 2020. Could not fault them at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 17:48:47 GMT
>>I was very surprised by the Leave vote in certain areas where the main economic driver was export to Europe.
I know a few that voted Leave, my Father included. None of them voted leave because of economic considerations, they did it because they emotionally believed that it was the right thing.
Economic drivers were more a Remain thing.
My Father accepted that there would be an economic and financial impact, but that wasn't important enough for him. And there was no talking to him. The only time in my life that we've fallen out over an issue.
Aside from the many other flaws, has there ever been a referendum where each side had so little understanding of the other.
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Post by bpg on May 31, 2022 4:51:52 GMT
After J R-M appealed to the Sun readers for suggestions of what to deliver for Brexit his dept. has filtered through some 2,000 suggestions and cherry picked the following low hanging fruit:
"Nine of the top ideas named from the department are:
Encourage fracking, shortcut rules on planning consultation via emergency act.
Abolish the EU regulations that restrict vacuum cleaner power to 1400 watts.
Remove precautionary principle restrictions (for instance) on early use of experimental treatments for seriously ill patients and GM crops.
Abolish rules around the size of vans that need an operator's licence.
Abolish EU limits on electrical power levels of electrically assisted pedal cycles.
Allow certain medical professionals, such as pharmacists and paramedics, to qualify in three years.
Remove requirements for agency workers to have all the attributes of a permanent employee.
Simplify the calculation of holiday pay (eg 12.07 percent of pay) to make it easier for businesses to operate.
Reduce requirements for businesses to conduct fixed wire testing and portable application testing."
If you work for a living 7, 8 & 9 are probably of interest.
If you're seriously ill, human guinea pig.
Shortage of lorry drivers ? Take the tachograph off 7.5 tonne trucks and get the drivers out of 3.5 tonne vans. Once they get used to 7.5 tonne trucks we'll get rid of tachographs from 44 tonne trucks.
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Post by WDB on May 31, 2022 8:33:11 GMT
If those nine are the best, the rest must make fun reading. 🙄
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Post by bpg on May 31, 2022 10:38:01 GMT
It does set the tone for where this is heading. I expect a lot of school children and young adults, who want to get on, will be further focused on languages.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 31, 2022 10:53:40 GMT
Some of these are likely to be very helpful to the UK but not: -
Abolish rules around the size of vans that need an operator's licence. That way will lead to chaos on the roads. It is bad enough already with White Van Men/Women driving around like lunatics.
But in reality, surely there are bigger and better things that can be changed to improve life post-Brexit - otherwise why bother. Yes, Dyson was discriminated against by the EU, egged on by Miele, but that's not enough to leave is it..
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Post by WDB on May 31, 2022 11:00:18 GMT
How was Dyson discriminated against?
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Post by bpg on May 31, 2022 11:05:17 GMT
How many vacuum cleaners are actually built, not designed, in the UK ?
Surely this kind of divergence increases manufacturing costs having to run a specific batch just for UK market and ensuring they don't make it from NI to Eire.
I can see how some may appeal to business owners not employees though. I expected to see the 48 hour week in the bin alongside paternity leave.
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Post by WDB on May 31, 2022 11:10:54 GMT
How many vacuum cleaners are actually built, not designed, in the UK ? Surely this kind of divergence increases manufacturing costs having to run a specific batch just for UK market… Yes of course. This is the same economic and cultural illiteracy that’s behind the imperial measurements nonsense — the idea that England can dictate standards to the world as it did two centuries ago. It might just work with pork pies and faggots (see what Great Aunt Maud makes of those) but markets in anything technical are transnational now and the standards are not defined here. On that subject, the fleecy Leavers got very agitated about vacuum cleaner wattage and tungsten bulbs, neither of which, surely, is at at all important. Some vested interest must have paid to stir them up. Perhaps our Telegraph reader(s) can remember who. |
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Post by EspadaIII on May 31, 2022 16:55:49 GMT
When the European manufacturers of vaccum cleaners realised they were being outsold by Dyson they persuaded the EU to set certain standards which benefitted them but not Dyson (bagless v bagged cleaners). It's not really important. But it happended. However still nto enough to leave the EU.
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Post by WDB on May 31, 2022 17:09:57 GMT
That’s entirely Dyson’s version of the story. This is the report of the failure of Dyson’s appeal in December 2021:
However, the EU’s lower general court on Wednesday ruled that the commission had not breached its duties to act fairly or discriminated unfairly against the makers of bagless manufacturers like Dyson. It said there was enough doubt over the efficacy of tests to justify the commission choosing to use an empty bag.
“By using the standardised empty receptacle testing method, the commission did not manifestly and gravely disregard the limits on its discretion or commit a sufficiently serious breach of the principles of equal treatment and sound administration,” the court said in a summary of the judgment published on Wednesday.
We had a Dyson for a while. It was rubbish and then it broke. We replaced it with a Miele, which is still working well 16 years on.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 31, 2022 19:48:54 GMT
We hae both. Both work well. Like many things, Espadrille prefers the Dyson and I prefer the Miele. She would take an Audi and I would take the otherwise identical Skoda...
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