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Post by crankcase on Sept 8, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Given that there are just about enough chargers to cover today's EVs, and sometimes already there is waiting about to get onto one, I'm always happy to read comments from the rabidly anti group (or in Humph's case, the mildly amused fun poking group).
Because they won't ever buy one and so there's more room at the chargers, the government will postpone the inevitable "we need to start taxing these things" so annual tax will stay at nothing, the various charging companies will put up their prices once they sense the critical mass is there and you won't be able to pick up 100 miles for a quid, local councils will stop providing parking for free, services will suddenly cost more than £70 a year, London will stop allowing reduced or free entry to various bits of it, and various towns will withdraw the "you can use the bus lane" perk.
The flip side I guess is that there will still be endless "think of the children" discussions about pollution, which I can't be doing with whilst my lovely Volvo gets me to Wales with no hassle.
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Post by lygonos on Sept 8, 2017 19:00:27 GMT
Latest Golf is now available to order.
35.8kWh battery, 0-60 in 9s, typical max range 120-140miles
List price (no options) - £32,190
drivethedeal.com price - £24,089 (inc £4,500 EV grant)
if you have an old diseasel to trade in - further £5,500 scrappage making it £18,589
Good deal
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Post by WDB on Sept 8, 2017 19:13:31 GMT
Stone me! Might have to rethink the financial plan against the CLS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 19:49:01 GMT
We're home, hosed and charging. Terrified the wife and children with the acceleration for a laugh.
Humph, you're a dinosaur, and overthinking it all. Nobody comes home, gets pished, then worries about charging. You just plug in your tethered cable when you get home.
Posting on my mobile with a glass of red, after my chicken dhansak and having installed the Nissan Connect app to pre heat the interior in the morning before I take the lad to tennis.
Aah.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 8, 2017 20:10:38 GMT
That preheat (or pre cold in the summer) thing is joyful. I find that pressing the button on the phone when you get to the supermarket checkout results in the car being just right as you get into it, for example, not just in the mornings.
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 8, 2017 21:36:03 GMT
That preheat (or pre cold in the summer) thing is joyful. I find that pressing the button on the phone when you get to the supermarket checkout results in the car - eating into its meagre battery supply that could mean the difference between getting home or not. |
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 8, 2017 21:59:30 GMT
That preheat (or pre cold in the summer) thing is joyful. I find that pressing the button on the phone when you get to the supermarket checkout results in the car - eating into its meagre battery supply that could mean the difference between getting home or not. ...might not get home, but at least you'd be warm ( for a bit, anyway  )Having driven home from Mull today, and suffered the indignities of long delays exiting Oban, a crawl down Loch Lomond side following a recovery vehicle towing a tanker, delays traversing Glasgow on the M8, the total closure of the A66 in both directions requiring diversion via the A65, and still having got home on around 2/3 of a tank of petrol, I'll stay with ICE for the moment, thank you. |
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 8, 2017 22:01:53 GMT
Yeah the free bus pass at 60 is an interesting one - likely encourages the old codgers to keep off the roads at rush hour tho. They are planning to extend it to apprentices it seems. ...I get an inordinate amount of pleasure from using my bus pass, even though I could previously quite easily have afforded and undertaken the journeys I now use it for....... |
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Post by lygonos on Sept 8, 2017 22:15:01 GMT
eating into its meagre battery supply that could mean the difference between getting home or not. ...might not get home, but at least you'd be warm ( for a bit, anyway )Having driven home from Mull today, and suffered the indignities of long delays exiting Oban, a crawl down Loch Lomond side following a recovery vehicle towing a tanker, delays traversing Glasgow on the M8, the total closure of the A66 in both directions requiring diversion via the A65, and still having got home on around 2/3 of a tank of petrol, I'll stay with ICE for the moment, thank you.
Of course in Model S you could have easily gotten from Mull to Abington or Gretna services, using autopilot behind the slow-moving crap, gone for a coffee/pee/nibble while Supercharging your car for free, and returning after 30 minutes with an extra 170 miles in the 'tank' to finish off your journey....
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Post by Rob on Sept 8, 2017 23:14:05 GMT
I'll be able to do that in my Skoda when I get it. Not sure I'll use it but it will auto steer and has traffic jam assist too. Cheaper than a Tesla and has a 66 litre fuel tank.
The future I agree is electric and initially hybrid when the charging situation is sorted for the masses.
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 9, 2017 8:50:10 GMT
...might not get home, but at least you'd be warm ( for a bit, anyway )Having driven home from Mull today, and suffered the indignities of long delays exiting Oban, a crawl down Loch Lomond side following a recovery vehicle towing a tanker, delays traversing Glasgow on the M8, the total closure of the A66 in both directions requiring diversion via the A65, and still having got home on around 2/3 of a tank of petrol, I'll stay with ICE for the moment, thank you.
Of course in Model S you could have easily gotten from Mull to Abington or Gretna services, using autopilot behind the slow-moving crap, gone for a coffee/pee/nibble while Supercharging your car for free, and returning after 30 minutes with an extra 170 miles in the 'tank' to finish off your journey....
...now man-maths is not exactly my forte, so excuse me, but the premium I would pay for a Model S over and above the price of the two cars currently owned would appear to pay for all my fuel (at current prices and mileage) for the next twenty plus years, so the free fill of macelectricity isn't quite so attractive. TBH, neither is the prospect of having to visit motorway service stations, something I avidly try to avoid, as a condition of going anywhere (and if I were to want to visit one on the M74/A74/A6, then it would be Tebay, which is just about passable). (the extra 170 miles wouldn't be enough to get me home from even Gretna, either, and with my luck, the charging stations would all be either occupied or inoperative, rather screwing things up. Even with a couple of AAs as standby, another required charging stop makes it even less attractive). TBH, without some quantum change, I don't see the current direction of electric car technology providing a solution for long-distance travel for the masses. Passable for niche use whilst the infrastructure isn't swamped, however, and a much more viable solution for urban, short-trip use (as long as you can home-charge). I'd consider the latter, though, to be fair, the Smart car covers that base for us, and adds (under current circumstances) a little more flexibility. |
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 9, 2017 11:03:01 GMT
Now here is an issue that no-one seems to be considering.
Lets take cobham services as an example as the busiest and biggest "fueler" of cars. It has 36 pumps, and often queuing is required to fill up. Say each "fuel"takes 5 minutes, that is a throughput rate of 432 fillups per hour.
To achieve that rate with Teslas (assuming a 30 minute top up) you are going to need 864 charging points and a grid feed of, wait for it, 126megawatts, so that means building a power station the size of ferrybridge a next to it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 11:41:43 GMT
Ran some errands this morning. 15 miles round town. Started at 100% charge and 88 miles range, hit 92 miles range at one point, and got home showing 86 miles range and 85% charge. Evidently I've got the hang of economical town driving. Seems to be the opposite of ICE, more economical round town than on the open road. Which is ideal for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:14:28 GMT
Now here is an issue that no-one seems to be considering. Lets take cobham services as an example as the busiest and biggest "fueler" of cars. It has 36 pumps, and often queuing is required to fill up. Say each "fuel"takes 5 minutes, that is a throughput rate of 432 fillups per hour. To achieve that rate with Teslas (assuming a 30 minute top up) you are going to need 864 charging points and a grid feed of, wait for it, 126megawatts, so that means building a power station the size of ferrybridge a next to it. That's assuming the recharging of cars is running at max all the time, what do you do with the electricity generated that is not required at that time ? You can't just dump it into the grid when you feel like it, there are penalties for over supply as well as under. How much energy is needed to make hydrogen ? Would it not make more sense to supply vehicles with hydrogen and get the car to make the electricity when it is needed. You then supply a fuel network with hydrogen like you do with oil based products today. It makes the electricity management at the power station more manageable knowing how much energy is required at the hydrogen farm. Plugging each and every car in to pull off the grid appears very inefficient. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 15:22:45 GMT
Woke up to 105 miles range this morning. Have been out and about, done about 35 miles, range showing 70 miles now. So it's pretty accurate and I'm driving it just about right. Not hanging about especially, good few boots to enjoy that torque.
Took a mate for a spin who now wants one for his family daily needs. I ought to be on commission here.
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