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Post by crankcase on Sept 5, 2017 17:42:41 GMT
Current Zoe has four year warranty on everything except battery, which is five. I'm getting to end of year two.
Complex, this end of pcp business. Many options, but nothing anywhere near what I pay now, and the deals around when I purchased are long gone.
Easiest option: swap to a new Zoe (twice the range) taking me from £189 a month to £259, and that over three years rather than two.
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Post by Rob on Sept 5, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
I suppose the extra cost for the longer range Ze could be recouped because you can use the car for longer journeys. And when you don't foresee a long journey you don't need to charge as often.
In our previous house I could have easily had a hybrid to charge - a consideration when we next move (no plans). It has to be a hybrid for the longer journeys that are less frequent. I try to avoid most business travel :-)
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Post by crankcase on Sept 5, 2017 18:25:47 GMT
Recouping like that sounds like extreme man maths.
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Post by Rob on Sept 5, 2017 18:44:34 GMT
I suppose it depends on how far you drive. I seem to recall you still have an ICE car and that might not be used so much with a Zoe with better range. That was my thoughts anyway.
But a bit jump in monthly payments. Can you not extend your current deal by 12 months? No harm in asking.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 5, 2017 18:52:59 GMT
Many have asked, and all refused. RCI (who do Renault and Nissan finance) are not playing.
Yes, still have ICE car. Am on holiday with it right now, in rural Pembrokeshire, and keep seeing electric car charging points, which I didn't quite expect. Should have been braver and brought Zoe, maybe. Or maybe not. Would have added three hours to the six hours it took to get here. No ta.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 8:44:04 GMT
Aye, I've just been juggling with my regular Reading - Carmarthen - Reading journeys to visit Mum. If I stopped to charge twice on the way, Leigh Delamere and Cardiff West, it would add an hour at least, also I'd probably be driving sub-60mph rather than 70-80 in an ICE car. Would be easy to charge at Mum's overnight, so 4 charges in total at fast chargers on the motorway, works out at about £25 (Ecotricity, £3 connection charge plus 17p per kwh). It costs about £45-50 in diesel for the return journey, so is it worth the extra time and faff for £25-30? Dunno. Certainly not if you use a "what's my hourly pay rate at work" calculation.
It's not as cheap as I'd imagined.
If I were you crankers, I'd buy your existing Zoe out.
In three years, I'll probably swap mine for a second hand 2018MY Leaf if available by then, or a used Mercedes B like lygonos's, probably 3-4 years old, providing I can keep the monthlies about the same. Either that or but the Leaf outright.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 9:27:51 GMT
Certainly a lot to consider given how quickly the capacities are increasing. On the one hand if the current car fulfills all your needs then you are not going to get such a cheap deal again or, of you like the idea of the extended range and want to get rid of the second car bite the bullet and upgrade.
A third option could be to step out of leasing for a couple of years until capacity meets all your needs. Your ICE car is bought and paid for and while the fuel costs are higher you're not paying £250 a month for a depreciating asset as your older car has already taken the bulk of that hit.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 6, 2017 12:03:07 GMT
Don't know the exact mileages of course, A, but I guess you have factored in you may not need a full charge? You only need enough at the first to get to the second with a bit of spare, and enough at the second to get to your destination with a bit of spare. The amount of spare will reduce as you get more comfortable with capabilities.
So splash and dash might help you out with time and cost. Also, the motorway chargers are the most expensive way of doing things of course. Slower chargers (more time) just off route will be significantly cheaper or free. Horses for courses on any given journey.
If you are an Ecotricity customer (madly expensive) you don't pay the connection fee for 52 charges a year. Only you can do the sums on that one.
As to my own case, dunno. Now the new Leaf has been revealed today (and I'm distinctly underwhelmed) that is of little interest to me. As I thought, it doesn't even go as far as the current Zoe, never mind further. Costs 26 to 30k for one of those in six months, or 15 to 16k for a non battery lease Zoe right now that goes further. Hmm, I can't imagine what the market will do.
I know the sensible thing to do, honestly, is to let the Zoe go back, save £189 a month and put that towards the extra fuel cost of running the Volvo. Probably balances out, pretty much. Thing is, I don't want to. So it's "can I afford to stick with Ev or not" really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 12:20:47 GMT
Yeah, I'm underwhelmed with the new Leaf too. Was told a 300 mile range was possible, even 200 would have been near enough a game changer.
I'm planning my Carmarthen journey as 60-ish mile hops between chargers. Like you say going off motorway to cheaper chargers would take lots of time, which makes the prospect less attractive. I'm usually only going for a weekend, so 4/5 hour journeys each way aren't too attractive when I can do it in 2.5/3 usually. I think I'll probably stick to the Merc for those trips.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 6, 2017 13:00:10 GMT
Fair enough. You can always try a Leaf journey just to see once you've got used to it and are feeling confident.
I've pretty much always used the Volvo for the longer stuff and never public charged. For me, that means I've done about 10k a year EV and 2k diesel. Looked at that way, I've still done something significant both environmentally and financially without making life at all difficult.
Also, the ev miles are generally in towns and villages, so you feel better about the pollution aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:16:13 GMT
I will no doubt try a longer Leaf journey on my own to start with, before exposing myself to spousal dissatisfaction and/or child related wailing in the event of a glitch.
In the mean time, I'm probably going to end up very much like your example. Home charging, local use, anything else gets ICEd.
I spend quite a while in urban traffic queues, I'm looking forward to doing that without the grumble of a diesel in front of me and the average MPG display heading south every 10 seconds.
News: slight delay on the Pod Point install. Not happening until 20th September, 2 weeks rather than the max 10 days quoted. Although that was probably 10 working days, thinking about it. Dropping my children off at school this morning I noticed the house opposite the school gates has a Pod Point on the front garage wall now, and a metallic grey Leaf on the drive. I'm planning on my Pod Point being inside. I presume that's allowed? I just wondered why the house I saw today had it on an external garage wall. Probably the sort of people who don't use the garage for the car I suppose. Weirdos.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 6, 2017 13:27:08 GMT
Inside is fine, but they are weatherproof. Mine is outside because it was already costing me £40 quid for the cable run (they would do I think about 10 metres from the meter for free, then a fiver a metre extra, something one that). Putting the charger inside the "garage" would have meant another ten metres or so, plus getting it through a trench. Too much hassle.
If you get the car before the charger, use zap map or even plug share to see if anyone up your street has made their own domestic charger available. Quite a few people do, either for free or with an honesty box. Or your local Nissan dealer should oblige with a free charge and possibly a cup of coffee, if they are even remotely decent and anywhere near you.
edit: I see there's one of those rare beasts, a 22kw Ecotricity charger near Reading at the Green Park business park. Those require an rfid card, (hurrah, much easier than the app, just swipe and go). Three times the speed of a domestic charger, and delightfully, still free to use. Off you go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:40:49 GMT
My electricity meter and main fuse box are in the garage, the Pod Point is going to be less than 3 feet away from them. It should be the easiest job imaginable for the installer. I'll probably have the car first, I'm hoping it'll be here this weekend. There is a standard double socket in the garage, I'll just slow charge it overnight from that for now. I can not imagine having to charge it anywhere else than at home at the moment.
I've done a 360 degree walk round my workplace and its car park, couldn't find any outdoor sockets. Asked Facilities, they confirmed there are none apparently. Harumph. I'm not going to NEED to charge the car there, but it would have been NICE if I could've done so, especially for free. But never mind. Apparently there's a plan to install two chargers in the car park, but they will be installed and owned by a charging company and the leccy will have to be paid for. Boo hiss. Checked zap map already, no other public (or private, honesty box) charging points in the immediate neighbourhood of work.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 6, 2017 13:44:10 GMT
Miserable lot. My work let me charge on just an ordinary 13amp socket in the car park for just the cost of the electricity. At 5p per unit, we did a quick calculation together, and basically after a year I gave them £50 and they gave it back, muttered something about tax I never understood and it actually cost me about £30 on my next pay packet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:51:38 GMT
BP/M&S petrol station on the corner near work doesn't have a charge point either. Just had a shufty round when I went to get a packet of salt & vinegar twists. There's a pub opposite, I might go and ask the landlord if he's got a socket and fancies a fiver a week or something.
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