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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 20:12:43 GMT
I can't say I am overly concerned, but it is kind of awe inspiring. Just start thinking about how they can take information from different places and add it together!!! Just one example; as you see from below they identify your device/computer hardware. Then everybody visited by your device, that is in contact with Facebook, will know it is you visiting, however much you think you are hiding your tracks. And people worry about the US Federal Agencies!! if I was so inclined Facebook would worry much more than a bunch of civil servants. From Facebook's Data Policy; ..... collect different kinds of information from or about you.
- Things you do and information you provide. We collect the content and other information you provide when you use our Services, including when you sign up for an account, create or share, and message or communicate with others. This can include information in or about the content you provide, such as the location of a photo or the date a file was created. We also collect information about how you use our Services, such as the types of content you view or engage with or the frequency and duration of your activities
- Things others do and information they provide [about you]. We also collect content and information that other people provide when they use our Services, including information about you, such as when they share a photo of you, send a message to you, or upload, sync or import your contact information.
- Your networks and connections. We collect information about the people and groups you are connected to and how you interact with them, such as the people you communicate with the most or the groups you like to share with. We also collect contact information you provide if you upload, sync or import this information (such as an address book) from a device.
- Information about payments. If you use our Services for purchases or financial transactions (like when you buy something on Facebook, make a purchase in a game, or make a donation), we collect information about the purchase or transaction. This includes your payment information, such as your credit or debit card number and other card information, and other account and authentication information, as well as billing, shipping and contact details.
- Device information. We collect information from or about the computers, phones, or other devices where you install or access our Services, depending on the permissions you’ve granted. We may associate the information we collect from your different devices, which helps us provide consistent Services across your devices. Here are some examples of the information we collect:
Attributes such as the operating system, hardware version, device settings, file and software names and types, battery and signal strength, and device identifiers.
Device locations, including specific geographic locations, such as through GPS, Bluetooth, or WiFi signals.
Connection information such as the name of your mobile operator or ISP, browser type, language and time zone, mobile phone number and IP address. - Information from websites and apps that use our Services. We collect information when you visit or use third-party websites and apps that use our Services (like when they offer our Like button or Facebook Log In or use our measurement and advertising services). This includes information about the websites and apps you visit, your use of our Services on those websites and apps, as well as information the developer or publisher of the app or website provides to you or us.
- Information from third-party partners. We receive information about you and your activities on and off Facebook from third-party partners, such as information from a partner when we jointly offer services or from an advertiser about your experiences or interactions with them.
- Facebook companies. We receive information about you from companies that are owned or operated by Facebook, in accordance with their terms and policies. Learn more about these companies and their privacy policies.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 24, 2016 21:35:57 GMT
and of course that is where Facebooks commercial value lies, selling the data you freely hand over to them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 21:53:29 GMT
Mmmm, well you can download a limited copy of 'your' data. So I just did. It details everything I've ever done, said, linked, deleted, hidden, added, written, every video, every photo, every like etc. etc. etc. A bit daunting and sobering, but nothing surprising really since I did do it all. However, - People identified as members of my family that I have never been Facebook friends with. Identified by being friends of friends I guess.
- An 'Address Book' with name AND telephone number of people I have NEVER 'friended' or associated with in any way on Facebook. Essentially business contacts. Some most certainly should not and would nto be mentioned on my Facebook.
- Names and telephone numbers of people who I do know but are not in my address book on my phone, in my contacts on my computer or that I have ever associated with on Facebook.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 22:32:30 GMT
Big Data
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 22:52:18 GMT
I don't like big data, it favours the planks.
Sat Nav destroyed the value in knowing your way around and being able to read a map. The Internet destroyed the value of knowing stuff, since you can know anything in 10 seconds.
And now Big Data is taking the value out of being good at judging the markets.
Douglas Adams was wrong. Eventually the 'B Ark' will rule the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 23:11:12 GMT
I don't like big data, it favours the planks. Sat Nav destroyed the value in knowing your way around and being able to read a map. The Internet destroyed the value of knowing stuff, since you can know anything in 10 seconds. And now Big Data is taking the value out of being good at judging the markets. Douglas Adams was wrong. Eventually the 'B Ark' will rule the world. Luddite. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 23:18:38 GMT
PS.
Do you have an Android phone? Have you taken a look at what Google knows about you? Where you live, which school your kids attend, how long you spend in the local cantina etc. etc?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 23:45:03 GMT
Google will bother me the day it starts sharing information with my wife, until then we're just fine with each other.
However, I feel I wasn't clear;
Take Sat Nav. I use it a lot. Especially living in a big city with stupid traffic. However, the planks have Sat Nav as well. 10 years ago I knew my way around, I( knew shortcuts, I knew back roads and I had an advantage over the planks. Now we all have Sat Nav and I have no advantage over the planks.
It is not Sat Nav I object to, it is the loss of advantage. I know my way around most of the business centres of the world. I know where the good bars are, where to park, excellent restaurants, etc. etc. Many times I have gained business advantage because of this.
Now, even the planks have Sat Nav and Trip Advisor. Where's the pleasure in being smart and knowing stuff And the incentive?? Because of that, of course, people are becoming more and more grey and similar.
Similarly we've lost the individualism of Ford Anglias and MG Midgets and Hillman Hunters and converged on the personal hell of Mazda 6s, By all standards a better car but so much less individual or characterful. Ditto shoes, clothes, barbers, hotels, roads, policemen, shop assistants, bars and newspapers. All converging on what is perceived to be the ideal solution with no consideration of character.
I should have been born a century ago, and I'd have been happier irrespective of whether I'd been Hudson or Major Bellamy.
I'm not happy.
And Big Data is doing it to business. I'm not happy about that either and I want it stopped.
Right now.
Who do I write to?
Is there a Luddite religion I could make everybody join?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 6:06:11 GMT
I don't have a Facebook account, but surf through my wife's pages. It's mostly rubbish and there are other ways to keep in touch with friends and family, without adverts.
I sit in between the planks and luddites. SatNav is incredibly useful but like Otto, in the places I know well I use it for traffic avoidance rather telling me the precise route. Trip Advisor is fine, but to avoid becoming a plank you need to spend time shifting through the reviews.
Homogeneous travel is inevitable. On my road trip last week I spent the first night in a new Premier Inn. For the price I paid it was excellent. No faults or negative views at all. Even for double the cost I could not have complained. The next night my plans changed and rather than staying in another Premier Inn I was forced into a typical English hotel. Converted from an old house, the room was compromised, bathroom adequate and it was all a bit Fawlty Towers without the cast. The problem was that it was just as souless, if not more so, than the Premier Inn. Although the hotel was almost full, the dining room had four of us in, the lounge was dark, cold and empty and I longed for the Premier Inn. Sometimes, the corporates just get it right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 6:11:00 GMT
I do hanker for the days when cars were individual. Golfs or Alfasuds. Granadas or Ro80s. The most individual cars you can buy today without breaking the bank are Subaru. But they just aren't as good as the competition and way too expensive.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 25, 2016 8:52:54 GMT
Easy on the Mazda 6s, big fella.
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Post by Humph on Nov 25, 2016 9:03:08 GMT
I don't do Facetweetagrams either. My wife does and seems to like it. I think it's a girl thing.
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Post by commerdriver on Nov 25, 2016 9:30:49 GMT
Similarly we've lost the individualism of Ford Anglias and MG Midgets and Hillman Hunters and converged on the personal hell of Mazda 6s, By all standards a better car but so much less individual or characterful. |
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Post by commerdriver on Nov 25, 2016 9:34:15 GMT
Oops finger trouble,
Meant to say I know where Otto is coming from first company car choice back in seventies was small set of individual cars including Allegro, Cavalier Mk1 Fiat 131 Renault 16, all with good and bad bits.
Now much longer list much more variable in size etc but not a really bad car on it.
Better cars but they do lose something in becoming ever more similar
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Post by Humph on Nov 25, 2016 10:05:03 GMT
When I first started work and was allowed a company car there was no choice at all. You could have a Cortina saloon or a Cortina saloon, didn't even get a choice of colour. They were changed every year though and a transporter would arrive with the new ones on and it would take away the old ones. The fleet manager just used to shuffle the new keys on his desk so that there was no argument about who got what colour.
Then he must have been offered a deal by Vauxhall when the then new Cavalier SRi came out and we got those. We thought they were marvellous things. On reflection mind they were heavy as hell to drive with no power steering. They did though have a great big rubber spoiler on the boot lid which was seen as the very glass of fashion at the time. Alloy wheels too don't y'know...sniff...😉
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