Rob
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Post by Rob on Nov 25, 2016 20:16:31 GMT
I said on a few threads elsewhere about Big Data and how the likes of Facebook are not just collecting data but making connections. Those of us on here know that FB will try to get hold of your address book.... and so everyone else's too. And then they have Big Data type jobs (think Hadoop) that are working out who knows who. This is definitely Big Brother.
And of course they sell it.
As for Google, unless you turn it off on an Android phone they track where you've been. You can even view this info. It's needed to suggest things to you but it's none of their business!
I think Big Data is a bit worrying - I know the term is generic.
Another Big Data type example - Netflix processes what you've watched and that of everyone else. So it then knows what to suggest you might like based on what others watched.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 26, 2016 12:35:29 GMT
I can't say I am overly concerned, but it is kind of awe inspiring. Just start thinking about how they can take information from different places and add it together!!! You have, within last month or so, turned up in the 'people you may know' section of my Facebook. So far as I recall I've had no contact with you other than HJ>C4P>here so you're not in my address book. I suppose it's possible if you were involved in admin of one of the sites I may be in one of yours.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 26, 2016 17:28:17 GMT
In the last 4 months I have had much to do with the NHS and social services. At times I was the only data keeper and conduit between the hospital trust, the mental health trust, the PCT and social services. Indeed at times I was the only continuity between the doctors and the district nurses at the PCT!
Again as a patient, I am the only data continuity between the Surgical team, the medical team the physio team and the PCT!
If ever big data was needed its in this area, and its completely missing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 19:36:53 GMT
>>You have, within last month or so, turned up in the 'people you may know' section of my Facebook.
Curious. Assuming its the correct 'me'.
Since we used to live so close, I wonder if we have a contact in common. You are not in my address book or contacts anywhere from direct contact.
However, it could be that Facebook have identified my hardware and also yours. And somewhere we have used the same website, could even be that garage near Towcester. Or there are a couple of other websites in that area I use occasionally that might coincide. I doubt we use the same 'work' sites.
Actually, there's an animal charity quite close to you that I support. Any contact there?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 19:40:50 GMT
>If ever big data was needed its in this area, and its completely missing.
There was a project to do that, they spent a lot of money. They made all the mistakes that you would expect and it became huge, bureaucratic and unworkable. At the point they were several hundred million in the toilet they were seeking a new project manager. They approached me.
Imagine how difficult that project would be to get right and just how good you would have to be. And yet two things stood out from the documents I received;
1) It was a compulsory requirement that the project manager had some proficiency certificate or other from Microsoft in the administration of MS Project. 2) They were offering £45k p.a.
Its beyond me why so many NHS projects fail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 20:17:47 GMT
>If ever big data was needed its in this area, and its completely missing. There was a project to do that, they spent a lot of money. They made all the mistakes that you would expect and it became huge, bureaucratic and unworkable. At the point they were several hundred million in the toilet they were seeking a new project manager. They approached me. Imagine how difficult that project would be to get right and just how good you would have to be. And yet two things stood out from the documents I received; 1) It was a compulsory requirement that the project manager had some proficiency certificate or other from Microsoft in the administration of MS Project. 2) They were offering £45k p.a. Its beyond me why so many NHS projects fail. Not knowing anything about IT procurement, presumably having a proficiency certificate from Microsoft is a waste of time and £45,000pa barely covers the recruitment cost of someone capable of leading the project?? I'm not criticising; just assuming that you need someone at a much higher level so that £45,000pa would be a joke for them and they 'get a man in' to hold the certificate??
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 26, 2016 20:29:33 GMT
I was a small part of a large tender team for "the" NHS project. Although all the right team and corporate noises were made, we were all relieved we didn't win. It was obvious from the ITT (invitation to tender) documents it would be a disaster.
And to Espada, MS project skills are ten a penny (its a self teach course) and 45k PA at the time would buy you a part time Unix sysadmin, All of us on the tender team were earning more than that.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 26, 2016 20:35:22 GMT
I meant to add, the requirement is and should have been relatively simple. All that was required was a set of data and interchange standards that everyone (all the care providers) had to adhere to, and a single patient identifier.
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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 26, 2016 20:52:47 GMT
I meant to add, the requirement is and should have been relatively simple. All that was required was a set of data and interchange standards that everyone (all the care providers) had to adhere to, and a single patient identifier. ...having had a passing acquaintance with the NHS IT organisation (I once applied for a very senior job in Exeter, which turned out to be in Birmingham, and not at all the role that was advertised!), and much more than a passing acquaintance with most of the appointed LSPs and LAPs (the contracted delivery organisations for the program), it never had a snowball's chance in hell of getting off the ground. The basic requirements were, indeed, very simple, and other organisations had delivered functional, large-scale integrated database systems well before that initiative got off the ground, but dysfunctional organisations and large amounts of contract/consultant work is never a good mix.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 27, 2016 10:09:11 GMT
Curious. Assuming its the correct 'me'. Since we used to live so close, I wonder if we have a contact in common. You are not in my address book or contacts anywhere from direct contact. However, it could be that Facebook have identified my hardware and also yours. And somewhere we have used the same website, could even be that garage near Towcester. Or there are a couple of other websites in that area I use occasionally that might coincide. I doubt we use the same 'work' sites. Actually, there's an animal charity quite close to you that I support. Any contact there? Mark, UK resident in Chile. Posts re British Legion in Chile and repost of Zippy's joke about Trump's death in Israel. Beyond bounds of coincidence surely? If the animal charity concerns Greyhounds then there may be a link via friends of friends.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:59:10 GMT
Thinking about this, I do seem to recall an email from you, though damned if I can remember the subject. Unfortunately in that account [Hotmail or Outlook] I keep no emails, contacts, or anything really; I really keep absolutely nothing. As you noticed, my Facebook account has been more open than usual, exactly because of the British Legion event in November for which I needed people to be able to find me, but normally it isn't.
I had made the assumption that me showing up on your Facebook was an opening that I had left, but looking at it I think it might be the other way. Can you remember an email exchange between us, to FM2R at Outlook or to my full name at Hotmail? As I said, I have a vague memory, and no more, but my vague memories are usually right, albeit frustrating.
Anyway, curious and no more, but its a world we need to get used to. Long gone are the days when you could disappear off the radar by moving 20 miles up the M1. We are all known and knowable to everybody.
There is only one thing that we really need to bear in mind; If, in an unguarded or drunken moment, you reveal an opinion or behaviour that you would prefer is not widely known, then you are shit out of luck.
And since I'm WYSIWYG, then at worst I can only be embarrassed.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 27, 2016 20:19:38 GMT
I cannot think of any occasion I've contacted you and you're not in any of my address books. I *think* they capture all my personal contacts since my Demon account c Y2K.
Things you've posted over years, I'm told I have a retentive memory for irrelevant detail, meant I'd worked out your 'real' name some years ago. I've no doubt stuff I've said on HJ/C4P and elsewhere where I've used the Bromptonaut identity mean anyone could trace the quango I worked for, or pick up other clues, and thus triangulate my real identity.
In that event I too am prepared to risk embarrassment (and discount any more remote consequence).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 22:17:03 GMT
Silly though really, isn't it. How many people actually bothered to go ex-directory in the old days?
I don't necessarily want everybody to know everything about me, buy its only an irrational irritation.
For most people the primary online problem is that your words and actions are and remain visible, a much greater risk to your well-being than your information.
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