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Post by bromptonaut on Sept 6, 2016 7:07:20 GMT
Yup. Why go to the UK? Anywhere is better than Sudan so how about a neighbouring country of similar values and peoples. Why go to all the trouble of crossing the Med on a leaky boat? Which neighbouring country though? Libya and South Sudan are clearly frying pan>fire territory. Not sure Chad is that stable either, nor Egypt, most of which is off limits for Brits per Foreign Office advice. Where's our Africa hand AC when you need him? |
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 6, 2016 7:50:40 GMT
Which ever way you look at it, the Calais Migrants have reached a place of safety. That under asylum rules is sufficient. The fact they want to come to the UK, makes them different, and if they do get into the UK, having traveled through a place of safety, and eschewed it, they should be forcibly returned to their country of Origin.
The French should interview each "migrant" and offer them asylum, if they decline, (and they will because they don't want asylum in France) they should be forcibly removed to their country of origin. The asylum rules exist for migrants, for their safety, most of this mob are abusing them and cocking it up for genuine cases.
Edit, Meant to add I know its not a very charitable viewpoint, but it is sufficiently humanitarian to abide by the letter and spirit of the asylum principle.
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Post by Rob on Sept 6, 2016 9:05:45 GMT
Surely the majority of African refugees/migrants were safe when they reached the Italian islands. They should seek asylum there.
What I think is wrong is the first point of entry and where they seek asylum is where they are meant to stay - a bit unfair. There should be a system to allocate them to other countries - and not just the EU.
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 6, 2016 9:19:05 GMT
There is one of the EU's major failings. Its borders. If you want free movement, as an urgent pre requisite you need to secure your outer borders to prevent abuse once within. They never did, it was always low key, no proper policy, and no proper resource. Hence its weakest point (and there are many of them) would always be an issue.
You need an EU border force. Along Military lines if required as it is a national security issue.
In addition, there should be, as you say, a single EU wide immigration/assylum process, with appropriate reception centres and resettlement pathway.
Had these been in place, Its likely we wouldn't have voted Brexit.
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Post by Rob on Sept 6, 2016 9:51:28 GMT
Because of geography and history, it's mostly Greece and Italy in the line of fire which doesn't seem fair to me for dealing with asylum seekers. They only go from Turkey to the Greek islands nearby because they are in the EU. If these islands belonged to Turkey instead, they'd try different routes. Not that I'd want to try, but crossing to Lesvos on a clear day would be preferable to crossing from Libya or Tunisia to Lampedusa!
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Post by bromptonaut on Sept 6, 2016 10:03:14 GMT
There is one of the EU's major failings. Its borders. If you want free movement, as an urgent pre requisite you need to secure your outer borders to prevent abuse once within. They never did, it was always low key, no proper policy, and no proper resource. Hence its weakest point (and there are many of them) would always be an issue. You need an EU border force. Along Military lines if required as it is a national security issue. In addition, there should be, as you say, a single EU wide immigration/assylum process, with appropriate reception centres and resettlement pathway. Had these been in place, Its likely we wouldn't have voted Brexit. More likely to have made Brexit majority much bigger I'd have thought. As it stands we're not taking anything like our fair share of Syrian and Iraqi refugees. The lion's share of those who've reached Europe and are not stuck in Greece (the numbers in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are another issue) have gone to Germany or Sweden. An EU wide system with inevitable quotas etc would have played straight into Mr Fromage's arms. Which is why Cameron, when the question was mooted a year ago, committed us to just 20k and over 5 years. |
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 6, 2016 16:57:42 GMT
My personal Brexit has not gone quite as well as expected.
Having changed plans to avoid Calais, as per my op they closed the A1M, just after I had joined it 😣.
Luckily I had allowed some time in hand, but we made the ferry by the skin of our teeth, and the sweat I am in is not entirely the result of the warm weather.
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Post by Rob on Sept 6, 2016 17:19:40 GMT
Glad you made the ferry. Have a good holiday. You're getting away just before it gets warm here too.
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 6, 2016 18:52:38 GMT
Glad you made the ferry. Have a good holiday. You're getting away just before it gets warm here too. I'd noted that things were getting a bit heated somewhere nearby....😎 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 19:10:28 GMT
Have fun, glad you made the ferry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 20:10:59 GMT
Enjoy. Bring back some nice wine to sample in the pub.
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Post by WDB on Sept 7, 2016 8:00:11 GMT
...and at least one bottle of dodgy liqueur that seemed like a good idea at the time but will now linger on a shelf for decades.
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 7, 2016 9:40:57 GMT
...and at least one bottle of dodgy liqueur that seemed like a good idea at the time but will now linger on a shelf for decades. Like Liquor 43 for example. I got very very drunk and seriously ill drinking a bottle of some ouzo based poison with gold flakes in it once. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 9:47:30 GMT
Unicum Zwack.
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Post by sooty on Sept 7, 2016 10:12:55 GMT
...and at least one bottle of dodgy liqueur that seemed like a good idea at the time but will now linger on a shelf for decades. Like Liquor 43 for example. I got very very drunk and seriously ill drinking a bottle of some ouzo based poison with gold flakes in it once. Isn't that goldschlager ? I remember drinking them with some other liquid which was then set on fire, whilst in the azores. |
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