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Post by WDB on Mar 12, 2024 10:16:02 GMT
… pacemakers … I asked the consultant 'nurse' and she basically said 'bollocks'. Sounds like she needed to re-read the ‘Installation’ page of the manual.🩺 Anyway, Audis. Quite a lot of Q4s along our weekend route - and a lot of adverts for it during the NZ-Aus cricket coverage. (Great match, that.) MrsB1 thinks she could live with one and that it looks less ‘bulky’ than the iX3. Or there’s this Audi. I’m not sure I’be ever seen one of these. www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312245038366 |
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Post by bpg on Mar 12, 2024 11:02:39 GMT
I'm not sure why it is but the German manufacturers seem to be struggling with electrification.
95kWh battery and 255 miles range is just the wrong side of wrongville. Answer, stick a 300kW motor in. Why ? Other than bragging rights at the golf club why 408PS in something with the aesthetic appeal and sporting prowess of a greenhouse ?
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Post by WDB on Mar 12, 2024 11:30:50 GMT
Yes, that does rather make the iPace look like a model of parsimony. Might help to account for it dropping £50k in value over its 8,000 miles of use.
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Post by bpg on Mar 12, 2024 11:34:10 GMT
Probably a company car offset against tax so the loser is the tax payer.
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Post by WDB on Mar 12, 2024 12:01:12 GMT
2% x £80,000 x 45% (50% pre-Kwarteng) is still £720 a year, I suppose. And a sixth of that £80,000 was VAT.
I might still go and have a look — even if it does require a trip to Reading. That one at least seems to have the combination of big battery and small(er) wheels that maximises e-tron usability.
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Post by bpg on Mar 12, 2024 12:28:20 GMT
I was thinking more corporation tax offset rather than personal tax liability.
Still worth a look, as is any car, as you're not completely sold on the iX3. Even if it is to exclude it from the list of possibilities.
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Post by Humph on Mar 12, 2024 12:36:21 GMT
You’re actually thinking of going to Reading and combining that with potentially buying an Audi?
Good Lord man, standards!
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Post by Rob on Mar 12, 2024 16:07:55 GMT
Some bloke on YouTube was complaining about how his Taycan has become worthless. Basically he want's to get rid of the Taycan and get a 911 and hoped to trade it in. He paid £120k, still owes about £60k but places like WeBuyAnyCar, etc. only think it's worth £40-45k. The dealer says about the same but don't want to buy any more Taycan's because they are not selling and they have a few in stock (second hand).
If that purchase figure and price to sell via one of the many online places is true.... potentially a loss of £80k in 2 years. Only have his word for the figures.
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Post by bpg on Mar 12, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
Someone needs to explain worthless to that chap. I'd rather be £20k in a hole than £60k.
WDB has mentioned his car being down a bit on the forecast number from 2021, I suspect there are a few people going to get a shock when the 3 year PCP comes to an end and they still owe money with the prospect of no wheels or having to downgrade.
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Post by Humph on Mar 12, 2024 16:19:31 GMT
If ya can’t stand the heat…
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Post by EspadaIII on Mar 12, 2024 18:15:10 GMT
I looked at the Audi e-tron in 2021 when I was choosing my EV. The cost was ridiculous (£90,000 list), even as a lease (over £1,000pcm) so I swerved. The Taycan is another nonsense. A friend bought one! I would rather burn fivers in the firepit outside. Yes, its fast but the range was at best 220 miles in the middle of summer doing 30mph despite a huge battery and low body. Sort of makes a mockery of the cross-continent drive this car should be used for.
Dubya - go and see the e-Tron. They are now renamed as the Q8 e-tron but essentially the same car. At £33,000 it is a 'bargain' but it still has the low range downside and poor efficiency.
So glad I leased the I5. In 14 months or 26 months I will review the market and decide to buy a second hand EV or lease again. The EV market as collasped because it was supported only by the tax breaks for company cars. And the cars were so expensive, businesses could only justfy getting one for a high earning employee or for the business owner. Those people now have their cars so no one is left in the market. It will probably pick up when those leases expire.
Apart from my idiot friend, does anyone buy an EV other than something small?
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Post by Rob on Mar 12, 2024 19:20:23 GMT
Due to depreciation on EVs you can get an e-Up! on a 21 plate for very similar to a petrol Up! of the same age. One cost a lot more than the other when new.
I am still slightly surprised how low the second hand value of say a Polestar 2 is on a 20/70 plate. How good those cars are (not main dealer) I cannot comment on. But less to go wrong than in an ICE... apart from what if there's a problem with the battery pack(s).
That example I used about someone complaining about Taycan depreciation... they said the car was worth around say £45k.... and a new battery pack is... £45k.
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Post by WDB on Mar 12, 2024 21:53:24 GMT
The Taycan is another nonsense. A friend bought one! I would rather burn fivers in the firepit outside. Yes, its fast but the range was at best 220 miles in the middle of summer doing 30mph despite a huge battery and low body. Sort of makes a mockery of the cross-continent drive this car should be used for. Hmmm…Taycan…£45k…that’s iX3 money. Should I? Probably not. The one at Donington and another I followed on the M1 looked so wide as to be close to unmanageable in perfectly ordinary car parks. As Esp says, that sort of width is useful for creating space for three across a Mercedes S but in a strict four-seater with a power unit the size of a shoe box, what are they hoping for? Ground effect? |
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Post by bpg on Mar 13, 2024 7:07:07 GMT
Apart from my idiot friend, does anyone buy an EV other than something small? My old friend who's buying the EV6 GT is a cash buyer. He knows what he wants and waits...he's got a five figure discount beginning with a 2 off. No different to any other car, if you've got to be seen in the latest and greatest you'll get your eyes gouged out, bide your time and you'll get a more favourable deal. |
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2024 9:51:30 GMT
That’s what I’m hoping to be too, BPG. There are a fair few lightly used GTs about with asking prices in the £40ks, against the list of £65k. It’s paradoxically the most appealing — even sensible — EV6 to me, because it’s the only one with the premium audio system and an unperforated roof. Nicer seats too, even if you do have to adjust them by hand. I’ll have that lovely satin-matt silver and hope nobody scrapes it.
I think an e-tron would have to be very cheap — which, relative to £90k, I suppose it is. There’s the woefully under-batteried 50 to avoid, and an S version that would take me from being an Audi driver to being an Audi S driver. And some silly ones with cameras instead of door mirrors. But the in-between 55 looks like a nice thing, with some top-end Audi interior stuff going on, a bit like an electric A7, which is the only other recent Audi I’ve caught myself coveting. It’s in iPace territory for efficiency, though, and it’s an adapted Q5 rather than a full EV, so I’ll have to see whether the space matches the size.
The improved Q8 version does better but is still too new to be properly cheap. But I’ve got an appointment in Reading this afternoon, so I might manage to stop for a look on the way back.
There’ll be Q4s to look at there too. Nobody who’s reviewed one seems exactly bowled over by the Q4 — as many are by the EV6, for example — but the consensus seems to be that it’s quiet, efficient, nice to drive and easy to live with. An Enyaq has more room, but I’ve not persuaded myself I want one outside my window. The Audi is a neater package. Oh well, it’s fun to look, and I can see how Audi dealer coffee compares with BMW.
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