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Post by Humph on Feb 15, 2024 17:34:35 GMT
I suspect your Volvo, like my Merc, will be lurking about our respective addresses for some time to come. For a while others will assume we are poor, but eventually they’ll just decide we are eccentric. I aspire to eccentricity. 😉
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Post by bpg on Feb 15, 2024 18:10:23 GMT
What other people think or assume about me has been out of sight in my rear view mirror for a good few decades.
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Post by bpg on Feb 15, 2024 18:29:31 GMT
Thinking about it the government could be a lot more proactive in pushing EVs. They could: 1. Make all new EVs sold in the UK come with a 10 year 120,000 mile guarantee - most come with 8 years minimum I believe. 2. Offer a 20% discount on all new cars to private buyers. 3. Modify the DVLA database to put a flag on the first owner, if that changes before 1 expires the 20% has to be repaid. 4. All companies get rid of the 5 year 100,000 mile car restriction.
Yes, people will look for loopholes in the above. If the registered keeper changes a chunk of money comes back to the Exchequer.
It's ridiculous changing cars every 3 years with less than 100,000 miles if the claims of EVs having fewer moving parts and less to go wrong is true.
Edit: 5. To prove this is not a dictatorship, if you want a new car every 3 years you can. Similar to some councils charging 200% on council tax for second homes, if you want to change after 1 year you pay 500% of list price, 2 years 250%, 3 years 170% which then drops by 10% per year to 9 years. At 10 years the 20% or whatever it is discount applies.
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Post by Humph on Feb 15, 2024 19:00:39 GMT
I’m not so sure I’d want more rules, in fact I’d welcome fewer. In particular I dislike retrospective penalisation of vehicles that met the requirements in place at the time when they were new. There are cars less than ten years old being penalised for their emissions.
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Post by bpg on Feb 15, 2024 19:03:01 GMT
I agree about rules in general what I wrote above would remove the status symbol attached to the car.
It's environmental vandalism banning cars that still meet the standards they were built to.
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 15, 2024 20:02:08 GMT
Absolutely, which is why the ULEZ is so irritating to people, even those of us who will probably never need to worry about it. The environmental cost of manufacturing a new car when a perfectly satisfactory older one is still running - and the cost of buying one to people who do not have the money to do so.
I really feel for people who do not have the disposable income to be able to make a change in their lives. They are at the mercy of politicians, extremists and big business. They have no say. My accountant says that money does not buy you happiness, but it does buy you choice. The poor of London and other cities which have imposed ULEZ type areas are saying to the poor "we don't care about you". The wealthy can buy a new car, the poor cannot and yet the poor are the ones who cannot afford to live in the city centre but carry out the basic jobs that are located in the city centres so have to drive in if public transport doesn't meet their requirements.
I get very angry about this, as despite seeming like a right wing lunatic at times, being a property professional, I can see that massive injustices are created by bad or no government policy (from all parties) on housing. There are so many ways to deal with the problem if the politicians worried about the country and not their jobs. Sometimes, I do wish we had a benign dictator in charge..
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Post by dixinormus on Feb 16, 2024 2:34:26 GMT
Surely manual gearbox cars will be obsolete in 5 years’ time Al?
Can’t really see why anyone **needs** to pass their driving test in a manual anymore. And there isn’t any manual gearboxes fitted to EVs as I understand it?
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 16, 2024 7:28:28 GMT
We had the same discussion when our daughter was taking driving lessons about two years ago.
I would suggest that for families which do not have a manual car for a child to learn on or will have access to after they have passed their test, then learning on a manual is probably pointless now.
However for families like Al's and ours where there is a manual car available then it meant that the child would have their own car immediately after passing their test. So learning on a manual made a lot of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 8:45:20 GMT
First thought arising from BPG's proposals, is that it would kill the second hand car market stone dead. So only people who can afford brand new may have a car, or they have to have one over 10 years old. Low paid key workers beware.
Manual cars are still the standard at the cheap end of the rental car market, and Miss A has clocked this and decided she wants a manual licence in case she goes on holiday and wants a rental car. I haven't had the heart to point out she probably won't be allowed a rental car until she's 25...
I still think it's best to learn in a manual whilst much of the country's car fleet is still manual. Why narrow your options, even is manual is indeed phasing out - the phase out is gradual, not sudden. And anyway, it's a bit harder, which is no bad thing. Hopefully makes the learner think a bit about mechanical sympathy. Also, learning in a basic car with no driver aids sharpens the experience - if you learn in something with all the reversing cameras and sensors and all that, then jump in a car without, it's not ideal.
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Post by bpg on Feb 16, 2024 9:00:37 GMT
Not sure why it kills the used car market stone dead. EVs have fewer moving parts and are an infinitely better product reportedly.
The tech moves on, the modules are plug and play, you can plug an RJ45 cable into a 15 year old laptop or a brand new one. I can, for £500, upgrade the screen in my 13 year old car to touchscreen giving me Android auto and Carplay.
I don't think people shopping for a £2k - £5k car care if they have the latest puddle lights. They want something reliable which is going to last a few years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 9:22:45 GMT
Not sure why it kills the used car market stone dead. EVs have fewer moving parts and are an infinitely better product reportedly. The tech moves on, the modules are plug and play, you can plug an RJ45 cable into a 15 year old laptop or a brand new one. I can, for £500, upgrade the screen in my 13 year old car to touchscreen giving me Android auto and Carplay. I don't think people shopping for a £2k - £5k car care if they have the latest puddle lights. They want something reliable which is going to last a few years. This bit: "3. Modify the DVLA database to put a flag on the first owner, if that changes before 1 expires the 20% has to be repaid." Loads more people would keep their cars for 10 years, meaning second hand cars (1-10 year old ones) would be more of a rarity, and prices would go up for those which were available.
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Post by bpg on Feb 16, 2024 9:40:24 GMT
The ten year old car would be the new three year old car. It covers the sustainability aspect of personal transport.
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Post by Humph on Feb 16, 2024 10:04:55 GMT
Like I said earlier, I’m not sure I’m keen on even more rules about what I’m allowed to do. However, we have mostly kept our cars either for a long time or a lot of miles or both, provided they continue to serve a useful purpose. Trick is in my view anyway, to buy the best something you can afford, with cash you already have, that fits your current and foreseeable brief, and keep it. Not the traditional approach I know, but it has suited me given the variability of my income over the years.
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Post by bpg on Feb 16, 2024 10:15:58 GMT
I'm not suggesting what I wrote above is the answer just using a stick to provoke some thought.
What we know is how we've always done things and understand that (rampant consumerism) cannot continue. This revolution in personal transport is an opportunity to rethink our relationship with the car.
What comes out the exhaust is only one part of car ownership.
The owner of the business my son did his placement with had an interesting conversation with him on the way to one of the jobs. He drives an EV. He was talking to my son how the car is only one tool we have to enable movement not the only tool. Walking, cycling, public transport are all alternatives whether we like the idea or not.
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Post by Humph on Feb 16, 2024 10:20:20 GMT
Yes indeed. Around my local town I tend to walk or use my bike. When I had regular occasion to be in London I’d often park at Edgware and then use my bike for the inner city.
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