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Aygo X
May 19, 2022 22:12:20 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on May 19, 2022 22:12:20 GMT
Just spent 36 hours in Israel for a conference. When I returned here after an absence on 20 due to COVID restrictions I was amazed by the number of Tesla vehicles on the roads, up from zero in early 2020.
But now there are at least two brands of electric cars, unknown to me and presumably Chinese, visible in numbers, plus a smattering (or more) of Hyundai/Kia electric models, including the odd Ioniq 5.
European electric cars are few and far between. One EQA and I think that's it.
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Aygo X
May 19, 2022 23:34:48 GMT
Post by Rob on May 19, 2022 23:34:48 GMT
China has a lot of brands doing EVs... do we include Volvo and Polestar in that? Talking of hire cars.... the buggers tried to give me the car that broke down on me when I picked one up on Wednesday. I had told them I'd have the same model but not the same one. They tried to tell me it surely wouldn't be the same one until I pulled out the previous rental agreement with the reg! I then got the same replacement which is a really good car.... 208 with a proper 8 speed TC and goes well with only a small 1.2 petrol. Not cheap I guess.
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Aygo X
May 20, 2022 17:01:45 GMT
Post by bpg on May 20, 2022 17:01:45 GMT
There's a large SUV in my neighbourhood sporting the registration AL07 NER. Which absolutely proves my point - the owner thinks others are going "Wow, I wonder how much that cost, what a successful and wealthy individual, I are consume with envy". Horses arses. I hope that's a name and not their hobby/passtime
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Aygo X
May 20, 2022 17:22:42 GMT
Post by WDB on May 20, 2022 17:22:42 GMT
I knew an Alner family at school. Could simply be that.
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Aygo X
May 21, 2022 9:02:35 GMT
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Post by Humph on May 21, 2022 9:02:35 GMT
Still a prat. 😉
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Aygo X
Aug 12, 2022 13:30:32 GMT
Post by Alanović on Aug 12, 2022 13:30:32 GMT
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Aygo X
Aug 12, 2022 14:55:06 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Aug 12, 2022 14:55:06 GMT
I think that these Pandas were great off road weren't they? Humph likes them..
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Aug 12, 2022 15:00:41 GMT
Post by Rob on Aug 12, 2022 15:00:41 GMT
My eldest step-son's first car was a Panda 4x4 Sisley. It cost him a couple of hundred quid although the insurance at 17 years old was quite high even for that car. He sold it a bit later to a farmer from north Wales for a very decent profit. But nowhere near the price of the one Al links to. But he did sell it about 18 years ago. Shame we didn't keep it in the garage.
The farmer that bought it off him wanted it for his wife. Their farm could only be traversed with 4x4 and she could/would not drive anything big and back then there were no modern small 4x4. I bet she has something like the modern Panda 4x4 now.
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Aygo X
Aug 12, 2022 19:04:17 GMT
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Post by bpg on Aug 12, 2022 19:04:17 GMT
If you kept an 80s FIAT in the garage you'd have an orange stain on the floor now.
Those Steyr/Puch FIATs were robust offroaders though, not £18k good though for something that is coming up ready for an engine rebuild. FIAT exhaust valves 160k kms, driveshaft boots meh.
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Aug 12, 2022 19:23:56 GMT
Post by Rob on Aug 12, 2022 19:23:56 GMT
But I have kept a 2001 FIAT on the road since we got it in 2002 and it's fine. But yes you are right about the 80s.
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Aygo X
Aug 13, 2022 8:23:23 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Aug 13, 2022 8:23:23 GMT
Wot bpg said. Cute enough car, but on what planet is it worth £18000?!!!
Surely only a collector and aficionado wouldn’t pay more than 5k tops?
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Aygo X
Aug 13, 2022 10:58:36 GMT
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Post by Humph on Aug 13, 2022 10:58:36 GMT
I had two of those back in the dark ages. Well, 2WD ones that is. Very fond memories of them, not so much as cars maybe, but the far flung and relatively inexpensive adventures they enabled at the time. Wouldn’t want one now, but I think the Renegade has a similar, if much more modern vibe. A bit anyway. I like cars that are way more fun and useful than they should be.
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Aug 13, 2022 12:30:22 GMT
Post by Rob on Aug 13, 2022 12:30:22 GMT
I read today an issue of Auto Express (quite a few weeks old) about British Motor Heritage. They are still making original Mini shells and parts. As they also do for quite a few others. www.bmh-ltd.com
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Aygo X
Aug 15, 2022 8:31:22 GMT
Post by Alanović on Aug 15, 2022 8:31:22 GMT
It's brown, which adds £10k to the value instantly.
Supply and demand, innit. These things are higly sought after (sorry, sort after, in the usual language of motor trade adverts) in any condition. An unusual example of an absolutely timeless model. I'd love one for my rural property in Montenegro (once it's got a roof and stuff). But I think the clever money would go to a 1st generation Suzuki Ignis 4Grip if you needed a lightweight 4x4 with a bit of ground clearance. You could probably buy a fleet of 18 of them for the price of this Panda. Not many brown ones about, though. The Renegade is too big, too complimicated, just overall "too much" to be a modern equivalent of the Panda 4x4, IHMO. Even though it is a FIAT underneath. I refer the honourable gentleman to the current generation Ignis for a modern interpretation of the breed, again IMHO.
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Aygo X
Aug 15, 2022 8:45:10 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Aug 15, 2022 8:45:10 GMT
I think you are right. A very basic 4x4 modern Ignis is probably sold somewhere but not the UK. That would be a very good car for Montenegro.
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