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Post by bpg on Jun 15, 2022 21:42:27 GMT
Factory-fresh is still mass produced. Get paintwork under a bright light and the faults are amazing you just don't see them.
Correction on "factory fresh" is easier than something that's been through a few car washes and scored to buggery.
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Post by Rob on Jun 16, 2022 0:06:26 GMT
I know someone who paid extra for paint protection on a MB C-class which meant any problems (even if your fault) they would fix for a few years. Car arrived with blemished paintwork from the factory. After a few attempts to fix it was rejected.
Replacement was a Tesla... can't have been perfect either but at leat it came with free charging.
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Post by WDB on Jun 16, 2022 7:33:22 GMT
Both my cars have dealer-applied paintwork protection treatments, one at nominal cost the other effectively at no cost at all. It’s supposed to make the thing easier to clean but I can’t say I’ve really noticed. The value in these treatments seems to be mostly for margin-strapped dealers.
I’m sure individual cars do have problems and defects, but I’d generally expect a multimillion-euro paint shop to be capable of a better job than a bloke in a garage with a spray can.
Presumably the Hyundai comes with a paintwork warranty. How is that affected by an aftermarket treatment?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 8:50:46 GMT
I thought you were leasing the car, EIII? If so, why the spend on the coatings?
Your range planning story underlines a point I frequently make: treat any EV like the reverse of an 85 year old's bladder. If you get a chance to fill it, fill it. Then anxiety melts away.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 16, 2022 10:59:32 GMT
Yes the car is leased but I just want to be able to throw some water from a hose over it and for the grime to fall off which is what these ceramics are apparently meant to assist. Although the lease is for three years, now I have it, I think that, unless technology moves on significantly such that there are cars with say 500 miles range and a max charging time of one hour from empty and 15 minutes from 10% to 80%, then I can see myself keeping this for a fourth year.
I like your analogy. A guy I was chatting to this morning with an iPace who frequently drives to London told me - charge at Rugby. I mentioned a good charging station at Milton Keynes with 350kWh but he said very much the same as you. Rugby has 350kwh chargers, they are plentiful, well maintained and the service station is good. Just fill up there he said, you won't regret it. So I shall do that on Sunday on my way down to the Smoke.
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Post by WDB on Jun 16, 2022 11:53:44 GMT
That’s probably all most of us need: a short list of sites with plenty of reliable chargers along our regular long routes. Rugby could work for me too, but it’s still 130 miles from York, so I couldn’t be quite sure of getting up and back on one charge. Something in the vicinity of Nottingham or Sheffield would be perfect!
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 16, 2022 20:31:19 GMT
You do use zap-map?
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Post by WDB on Jun 16, 2022 20:36:32 GMT
Not often - but then I charge away from home maybe four times a year. I don't think I have at all in 2022. But there's more to it than just numbers - a word-of-mouth recommendation of a place that's well kept and works well in practice is often worth a lot more.
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Post by bpg on Jun 16, 2022 23:22:07 GMT
This is where I have a problem with EVs.
Dr. Braghard at the other site likes to remind people how a top 5% earner has his fuel paid for by 100% of tax payers.
That's the system and that's how he likes to play it.
Me, I have an RFID card, I pay for what I use. More fool me ? Maybe. I sleep very well at night.
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Post by Rob on Jun 16, 2022 23:47:05 GMT
>> Dr. Braghard at the other site likes to remind people how a top 5% earner has his fuel paid for by 100% of tax payers.
Who and what exactly do you mean? Please explain.
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Post by bpg on Jun 16, 2022 23:48:04 GMT
It's not you Rob, wind your neck in.
Edit: funny how some words prompt certain responses.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jun 17, 2022 6:19:23 GMT
I am also confused. Who is this Dr Braghard and how does he get his fuel paid by others?
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Post by WDB on Jun 17, 2022 7:13:25 GMT
Dr. Braghard at the other site likes to remind people how a top 5% earner has his fuel paid for by 100% of tax payers. …in return for which, he travels without creating excessive pollution — although, of course, not none at all. It’s a thing that the Scottish government legitimately considers a public good to encourage adoption. I have no problem with anyone taking them up on it. There was another contributor over there who regarded claiming social security benefits as a form of moral turpitude. It isn’t; it’s just another example of how a pluralistic society works for what ought to be the common good. |
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Post by Rob on Jun 17, 2022 12:14:14 GMT
I know it was not aimed at me - but I still don't understand what is meant by this.
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Post by bpg on Jun 18, 2022 4:27:36 GMT
Wow, that seems to have pricked a few antenna.
First of all, let me be clear there is no accusation of any wrong doing or law breaking by any individuals. It is the system and it is being played for what it is.
Free fuel EspIII, charging for free. Covering many tens of thousands of miles for a business making money. Surely, the business model should be able to stand the cost of travel for work.
In the current climate of people working full time and having to have wages subsidised to make ends meet, utility bills and food prices spiraling out of control to the point an international supermarket chain is noticing shifts away from brands with some people relying on food banks, it's all a bit insensitive to boast.
These observations are not only true of the UK.
People are people and will sometimes try to take a bit more. I see supermarkets offering free charge points for customers having to put signs up reminding them it's only for while they are in store as a customer and people wandering off for a coffee or burger at another nearby locale.
It's probably a me thing but something that really bothers me.
I recently posted about getting money back for the emissions one of our cars doesn't make. I could have just put it towards the vehicle license fee for the two polluters I have doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of things though so it will go to a local food bank. In the grand scheme of things neither here nor there in helping resolve the issues of the day but if it helps someone out for a few days.
I think often we forget the spirit in which things are intended.
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