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Post by Rob on May 6, 2022 21:57:35 GMT
>> I certainly cannot see the benefit of spending £70,000 on a Volvo XC40 Recharge 100% electric.
I thought they started around £58k? Still more than your car and I tried the PHEV variant of the XC40 and I wasn't sure that was worth £42k in the top spec I tried in terms of trim etc. I realise the full EV (and all XC40s now?) use Android for the infotainment now.
I think I prefer the Polestar 2 to the XC40 which sit on the same platform and show that the Geely/Volvo/Polestar platform does not need to be an SUV. The bulk of the batteries are in what would be the transmission tunnel in the ICE variant.
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Post by crankcase on May 7, 2022 13:29:28 GMT
Interesting. I haven't tried the Ioniq, but did try the Kia EV6. In the top spec I wanted, it was 50k. I compared it to the Lexus NX, which in the Takumi spec I wanted (top spec), was also 50K. The difference in quality of the touchy feely bits was immediately apparent, with the Lexus being a clear winner. The NX failed for us on other counts, but it felt like a premium place to be, whereas the EV6 just, well, not so much. I imagine the Ioniq is perhaps better than the Kia though, so nearer the Lexus?
Reviews say the Ioniq is a softer ride (which would appeal to me). The Kia was indeed a bit of a lumpen thing on the test drive.
Anyway, I was initially drawn by the "charges to 100% in three seconds" claims, which turned out to mean in salesman speak "20% -80% in fifteen minutes", which, on looking at forums, really means "this doesn't really actually work in the UK, because there simply aren't the chargers available to do it, and those that can apparently technically do it have been hobbled anyway, so in reality, it's no quicker than anything else."
So - does the Ioniq actually charge, or can be charged, at anything like a super quick rate in the real world, I wonder?
For info, I bought the Superb PHEV, rather than wait a million years for something new. It's turning out to be great for our journey patterns. I filled it for the first time a week ago. It promised about 500 miles of range. Since then, nearly all our journeys have been doable with all battery. We've done 500 miles. Time to fill it again? Nope, the range promised right now is...about 500 miles still to go. I've actually used about 20 miles worth of petrol over that 500 miles. Car is therefore showing an intriguing 280mpg odd over the week. Even on my tariff the electricity is about half the cost of petrol per mile.
Didn't buy it to save money though, so it's all good however it turns out.
Longer journeys this week though, well over the battery range, so we'll see.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 8, 2022 17:10:08 GMT
Some reviewers commented that the ride on the Ioniq 5 was a bit jiggly at low speed. I don't find that.
As far as understand it, Kia is meant to be a little more upmarket than Hyundai but Genesis is obviously the Infiniti of the Hyundai group so presumably the internal materials are better. Having seen the interior of the Genesis, it is very similar to the Kia in design, with a fixed central console and very ICE car like, unlike the Ioniq 5 which has the moving console, flat floor and lots more space. All three share the basic dash and control design.
I have pottered around today doing a variety journeys and the range seems to be hovering around 270 miles on a full charge. I'm happy with that.
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2022 21:44:29 GMT
I wonder how you will get on in the winter with rear visibility due to muck on the rear window? Like all cars with a vertical hatch surely it needs a rear wiper?
I added one to the Superb because it was a (no-cost) option and it was in my opinion better with one than without. Although I seem to have some recollection of needing it if you had a reverse camera - a washer nozzle for the camera?
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Post by EspadaIII on May 9, 2022 9:01:56 GMT
Good question. Firstly, the tail gate is not vertical so it should suffer less of a problem. Most saloons do not have a wiper and seem to manage without one. Mind you I have looked at a couple of reviews of products to apply to the rear screen and Turtle Wax Hybrid seems to be the 'schmaltz' to rub into the screen. It beads up water into big droplets which makes them both easier to see through and heavier, so they drop off the screen quickly. See this video. The Ioniq Guy
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Post by WDB on May 9, 2022 9:12:03 GMT
The CLS’s tailgate isn’t V70-vertical either but the rear window still gets filthy. It seems like a bizarre kind of design snobbery not to fit one to a car like this — or to the BMW 6GT, or the various ‘sportback’ Audis.
Saloons are less affected by road spray because the window is further forward and so shielded by the protruding boot. Even there, the window still gets obscured in the rain, although reversing cameras today make this less of a concern.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 9, 2022 9:26:05 GMT
Oh I forgot, I have so many cameras I could be driving via remote control.
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Post by bpg on May 9, 2022 9:32:11 GMT
The cameras on the Focus estate and KIA SUV are useless when the weather gets cruddy. They are placed directly above the number plate next to the tailgate release handles, they catch all the sucked on muck going. Doesn't the Ioniq have some kind of roof mounted spoiler directing airflow down the rear window ? I know spray still gets sucked on to the rear of the vehicle maybe the airflow helps out.
My S60 saloon rear window has a shallower rake than the windscreen. If it's raining heavily the window acts like a shelf, reversing is done with door mirrors and rear sensors. A reversing camera was made available on this model the year after my car was registered.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 9, 2022 9:58:42 GMT
I have not really had bad weather yet to work out if the cameras are a good substitute.
I do feel a bit like an Airbus pilot at times (I wish!) when on the motorway. I now really understand the concept I have read on aviation fora, when pilots have been "behind the plane", wondering what it is doing now and why. Luckily I can touch the brake pedal and return to normal mode without fear of dropping 30,000ft..
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Post by dixinormus on May 10, 2022 8:38:22 GMT
The Subaru has 2 forward-facing lenses at the top of the windshield on the inside, for radar cruise control, lane-keep assist etc. The system is called “Eyesight”. Maybe they aren’t technically cameras?
In any case they struggled with a damp misty start to the day here, and kept disengaging for the first few miles. The windshield wiper sweep doesn’t cover the area of window that they look through. Progress eh..?!
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Post by EspadaIII on May 10, 2022 17:16:43 GMT
I have done over 300 miles in the car in one week - a lot for me. Today was a very mixed day of driving, having motorway, suburban and urban driving of about 80 miles. On this basis I am getting 4 miles per kWh and between 280 - 300 miles of range which is what the advertised range is.
My first journey away from the comfort of home or easy access to chargers is to North Yorkshire in a couple of weeks. Have the choice of a slow journey of 75 miles each way with no easily accessible fast chargers on the route, or a longer but quicker 100 mile journey with one fast charger about 75 miles into the route.
I should be able to do both without recharging as long as I don't go anywhere over the weekend. To be sure I have placed a 10m extension lead into the frunk for use with the granny lead if I can charge from the place we are staying in overnight.
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Post by WDB on May 10, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
Check the instructions carefully before using an extension with the 13A cable! The BMW one is very certain that we should not.
Extension cables with high-current loads are generally a bad idea anyway, and the car will want to draw as much current as it can for as many hours as it’s connected for. Could Get A Bit Warm.
But 4 miles per kWh is good going for a big bus.
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Post by bpg on May 10, 2022 17:58:03 GMT
I've used a 13A three pin to two pin socket adapter and run the 240v charger at 10A with no problems.
However you are correct WDB, KIA advise not to use any extension leads.
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Post by Rob on May 10, 2022 18:41:57 GMT
The 330e had the option to reduce the Amps when charging so if you were using an extension lead then as long as it was a heavy duty one then it should be fine. In the end I didn't purchase a heavy duty lead for this because it would have been a faff.
Maybe the Ioniq 5 has a way to restrict amps when charging? I'd only do this as a last resort.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 21:05:52 GMT
>>However you are correct WDB, KIA advise not to use any extension leads.
Because people are stupid.
You can perfectly well use an extension lead, provided that it is uncoiled and of the appropriate rating, is not damaged and has no dumbarse contacts or joins, and is protected (fuse RCD etc) correctly.
Since most extension leads are made of shit wire, with inadequate sockets, often used coiled and owned by idiots, it's just easier to tell people that they can't do it.
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