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Post by WDB on May 21, 2022 17:45:51 GMT
Longish day out today in a borrowed BMW iX3.
Perhaps not surprisingly, given its origins and appearance, I’d call it the least radical electric car I’ve driven. Perhaps surprisingly, given that, I rather liked it.
Liked the BMW ‘Sports’ seats, with padding and adjustments in all the right places. Liked the familiar BMW control layout. Liked that the iDrive interface was similar enough to the i3’s not to bog me down in looking for simple settings. Really liked the easy switch from i3-like, one-pedal B mode to roll-on (and on) D mode. D on motorways takes away the i3 sensation of fighting the car’s constant wish to turn speed back into electricity. B in town embraces that and makes the thing almost as wieldy as an i3.
Almost. Because it’s big. And tall. And you look out over a great white expanse of unnecessary bonnet. This and the easy coasting are the unradical parts. Oh, and a central gearstick that’s simply a faff compared with the i3’s rotary selector.
It’s only got one motor and 2WD, but that’s plenty. It’s on a par with the i3 for paper performance but feels slower — or less startling eager — because of its mass, 800 more kg of it. But it’s fast enough and still quicker than most cars out there.
It steers and rides very well indeed, not just for a tall car but for anything. It would be a close rival for the CLS as a long-distance car — which is good, as that’s what I want.
I had a white one with a black interior, but a fairly classic BMW blue with ‘Canberra Beige’ is an option. If you can get one, which you can’t, so none of this really matters.
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Post by dixinormus on May 22, 2022 1:39:15 GMT
Can’t get one at all, wdB, or can’t get one in the colour of your choosing? Twelve months waiting list for a factory order I presume?
Must be interesting being a salesperson with nothing to sell!
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Post by Humph on May 22, 2022 7:41:36 GMT
Actually that’s a good point Dixi. I’m not sure how the motor trade typically structures remuneration packages, but in many industries sales people get a pretty basic salary that is significantly enhanced by commission.
And, if the business is operating on borrowed money, banks are usually far more interested in the rate of cash flow than anything else.
If deals are not being done due to restricted supplies, then commission is not being earned, and money is not moving through the business.
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Post by bpg on May 22, 2022 8:12:50 GMT
I imagine it's the luxury brands that are hit hardest as each car is a factory order. Mainstream car dealers know their customers and pre-order stock based on previous sales and years of knowledge in the market place. Also, far east manufacturers tend to have very limited options lists preferring to fit depending on trim level and leaving what options there are to dealer fit. Of course, then there is the chip shortage which is impacting volume. The in-country importer then has to distribute what they have to keep the dealers in business. Which then drives the high prices for used desirable cars which sales people can make money off.
Interesting reading WDB review and finding the i3 is always trying to recuperate. Level 0 in our KIA saves a lot of energy rolling on and on while still sending 2kWh back to the battery. Put in Level 3 is almost one pedal, you need the brake pedal to come to an absolute stop, I've seen the car report 43kWh recuperation in this mode. Driving in this mode out of town is wearing as you do feel you are fighting the car.
I think EspIII has 5 levels of recuperation in his new toy.
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Post by WDB on May 22, 2022 13:45:54 GMT
I wondered the same thing about sales activities. In previous sales-related jobs, I've had extra incentives that weren't directly related to simple volume of sales. For example, I've had a target of running a certain number of 'discovery workshops' or business-development meetings in the course of the year. I suspect my BMW man may have something similar, as a way of keeping well-disposed customers like me up to date even when they're not actively buying. I think he's also told me at some point that he doesn't actually get paid individually by the sale, but that the whole sales team benefits when sales happen. Given that more demos will mean more sales, eventually if not today, then it makes sense to keep them going.
I'm probably overstating it by saying the i3 is always trying to recuperate - the driving modes vary the aggressiveness of regen; Sport has least, but makes the throttle too hair-trigger fierce for most situations - but it certainly doesn't have a pure roll-on mode as I found in the iX3 (and the Enyaq). In the i3, I generally appreciate its one-pedal style and it's only at motorway speed that I feel a slight conflict with the way I prefer to drive. And the i3S is a better motorway car than the old i3 was. But the iX3 is a very good motorway car, regardless of power source.
And availability: my dealer has secured one build slot, to be delivered in October, for a fully-loaded model in Macho Loser Black, so I don't want that. He has no plans to sell the 71-plate white demo car until he can get another, so that's not an option either. (And this one was the first BMW I'd tried without the Harman-Kardon audio option, which I now know is worth the extra.) So if I do want one, I'll be shopping Approved Used, and those are typically year-old cars at prices boosted by scarcity to almost the (nominal) new price.
If I were to go that way - and I might - then I'd have to get past my feelings about tall cars. I passed a CLS SB like mine on the M3 and it looked quite diminutive from my vantage point. There's really no need for this thing to be so bulky, and the same powertrain and attributes in something shaped more like a 5 Touring (or an iPace) would be so much more appealing - to me. But I think that battle may be over - "No demand for them, sir" - and perhaps this is what a car to carry four adults has to look like now. I still prefer the styling and style of the Jaguar - not something I'd have said 20 years ago!
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Post by bpg on May 23, 2022 15:08:08 GMT
With PHEVs starting to get much larger batteries it will be more common for at least optimal DC charging on PHEVs. The only one I know of so far is a Mercedes. Just read about the C Class 300e. 25.6kWh battery, real world range 55-60 miles on pure electric or up to 85mph. Will take a 50kW CCS fast charge. Quite a chunky beast though at two tonnes, empty.
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Post by WDB on May 23, 2022 15:51:56 GMT
Big ‘so what?’ from me. I have a good short-to-middle-distance EV, and my diesel CLS won’t emit appreciably more CO2 on a 200-mile trip. Maybe if it’s to be the sole car in a household, but there are plenty of uncompromised EVs now that can do that job.
The PHEV is 2017’s interim measure (and I did nearly buy one then) not the answer to much in 2022.
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Post by bpg on May 23, 2022 17:50:11 GMT
The "so what?" is the advance in battery tech. The 2024 full EV is aiming for 700 miles, the 100kWh battery will be 35% lighter and about half the size of the 107.8kWh battery in the EQS.
That PHEV is no everyone's cup of tea maybe but to my mind is the start of the next stage with 67% more capacity.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 8:17:53 GMT
With PHEVs starting to get much larger batteries it will be more common for at least optimal DC charging on PHEVs. The only one I know of so far is a Mercedes. Just read about the C Class 300e. 25.6kWh battery, real world range 55-60 miles on pure electric or up to 85mph. Will take a 50kW CCS fast charge. Quite a chunky beast though at two tonnes, empty. Ah, progress. 1st Gen Nissan Leaf, 24kwh battery with 50kw DC charging, real world range up to 100 miles (I know because I had one). How much for a 300e? Will be hard to make the argument for one versus even a KIA EV6, I expect. Hybrid is over.
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Post by WDB on May 24, 2022 8:31:43 GMT
The 2024 full EV is aiming for 700 miles, the 100kWh battery will be 35% lighter and about half the size of the 107.8kWh battery in the EQS. That does deserve some attention. Put it in a purpose-designed EV chassis and you stand to get some serious space and packaging advantages. That PHEV is not everyone's cup of tea maybe but to my mind is the start of the next stage with 67% more capacity. Maybe, if it’s an advance in the battery technology itself and not just further compromising a petrol car with a bigger obstacle in the boot. But Vić puts it more pithily than me. 🤠
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Post by bpg on May 24, 2022 16:41:26 GMT
Ah, progress. 1st Gen Nissan Leaf, 24kwh battery with 50kw DC charging, real world range up to 100 miles (I know because I had one). Since you put it like that, the Nissan Leaf is all the car anyone will ever need. Choice ? Why ? Everything costs more. The Nissan Leaf is UK built, bonus. I give you the UKs Trabant.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 16:50:44 GMT
So, the only acceptable cars going forwards are pure electric without bonnets and other things that you disapprove of and must have a chassis designed for EV with no shred of ICE heritage?
Right, well that will be me *not* buying a greener car then. Well done.
If I was to buy a vehicle right now it could *only* be a hybrid of some description or solely an internal combustion engine.
This place is very "sneery".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 16:54:25 GMT
Actually, thinking about it, it's a bit too sneery. I think I shall withdraw.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 7:51:18 GMT
Not sure who that is flouncing there just yet, but I think you've taken things a bit too personally. It's just cars and opinions.
Always a shame to lose someone, hope you come back.
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Post by WDB on May 25, 2022 8:26:25 GMT
No, nor am I (and my first thought was wrong, fortunately.)
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