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Mar 10, 2022 7:13:05 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Mar 10, 2022 7:13:05 GMT
Anyone been there, or got second-hand knowledge?
Am thinking if an extended holiday out there later this year, as a prelude to early retirement.
The r word popped up on another thread recently; probably needs its own thread anyway. Age 53: too young?
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Mar 10, 2022 7:47:03 GMT
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Post by WDB on Mar 10, 2022 7:47:03 GMT
I’ve got the hat, if that’s any help. 🤠
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Mar 10, 2022 9:20:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 9:20:55 GMT
Retirement? At 53? You lucky, lucky bastard. If I could I would, in a heartbeat. I'm (52) too young to be wasting my time working.
Honestly can't understand anyone who goes out to work (apart from those who are lucky enough that their work is their passion, and they're doing it for themselves and not reporting in to anyone else) if they don't have to.
No idea about Panama, sorry, never been anywhere near the place. Would like to visit Costa Rica, that looks more interesting than Panama to me.
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Mar 10, 2022 9:26:17 GMT
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Post by Humph on Mar 10, 2022 9:26:17 GMT
A friend of mine retired mortgage free at 48. 30 years in the police and off he went. Good pension and so on. We don’t hate him as such, well, maybe a bit, well maybe a bit more than that actually, but y’know, we wish him well. 😬
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Mar 10, 2022 9:29:47 GMT
Post by Rob on Mar 10, 2022 9:29:47 GMT
I finish this job in a few weeks - 51. But with all that's going on in the world I wonder if I'll end up doing something short term. As Mark says, the most money you'll ever have is when you stop working. My current pension pot has gone down by about £7k in the last few weeks too.
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Mar 10, 2022 9:45:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 9:45:23 GMT
I guess Mark's comment depend on what you do and how you do it. I'm planning to run a portfolio of rental properties to provide an income before my pensions arrive. Those properties, I hope, will be appreciating assets. So, the value of my assets should keep growing, in theory. And do you call that working? Not sure. If, for example, I took to doing some property renovations to flip them for modest profits (which acts as a tax reducing thing to do if your rental stuff is through a limited company, and you add a bit of renovations and sell-ons in to the mix), then maybe that's working still. But to me retiring is being able to live off your own means, and not have to turn up for some other berk at 9am to answer the phone and grovel.
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Mar 10, 2022 9:46:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 9:46:27 GMT
www.tourismpanama.com/Retirement is great, really great, just so long as you can afford it. I was younger than you when I stopped. But, and I say it a lot, it is an expensive thing to do.
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Mar 10, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
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Post by Humph on Mar 10, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
My wife is cleverer than me. So clever, that she has managed to only work 3 days a week for many years. I maintain that she could work full time so that I could retire, but it doesn’t seem to be getting through. 🤔
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Mar 10, 2022 10:31:51 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Mar 10, 2022 10:31:51 GMT
Technically I could possibly retire, but with two children still to a great or lesser degree dependent and my eldest living in London, he is also partially dependent. I'm 57. I reckon I'm happy to keep going until I'm 62 before I start to slow down. Want to ensure I have enough for the kids to get a decent deposit for their first property.
No point working unless it creates benefit. Al works to pay school fees; we were fortunate to have an excellent comprehensive within walking distance, so I work to pay for a house deposit. Hopefully they achieve the same thing in the long run - financially secure children.
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Mar 10, 2022 10:57:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 10:57:21 GMT
Never mind deposits, I could buy them a house each with the money I'll have spent on private education. In the South East, too. Now, though, they'll have to rack up debt to go to University, and we'll have to provide handouts from our limited equities after that to house them. There's a decent comp walking distance from here, too. This situation wasn't my choice, however, and I'm still not convinced we're receiving value for money on the education. The total sum spent (and remaining to be spent) is eye-watering, and I remain to be convinced that the academic results will reflect that investment. I think it's been a huge mistake, and I thought that from the outset.
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Mar 10, 2022 10:59:29 GMT
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Post by WDB on Mar 10, 2022 10:59:29 GMT
I won’t be voluntarily leaving the workforce just yet either. I’m 54 and reasonably well supplied (very well by most standards) in pension terms but, like Esp, I effectively have three dependants since MrsB1 decided to drop her tiny employment income and become a full-time master’s student from September.
She’s thrilled about it and, whatever the problems, it turns out to be much the least unhappy of the available options. I’ve no illusions that she’ll emerge any more employable than she is now but that’s not really the point, so long as I can keep going. What can’t be cured etc.
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Mar 10, 2022 11:15:31 GMT
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Post by Humph on Mar 10, 2022 11:15:31 GMT
My son was the first in any remembered generations in my family who was not privately educated at the same school in Edinburgh. He went to the local comp. He’s also the first to get a double 1:1 at Uni so what that means I’d hesitate to to speculate. It does however play well to my slightly lefty leanings.
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Mar 10, 2022 11:19:50 GMT
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Post by WDB on Mar 10, 2022 11:19:50 GMT
He went to the local comp. He’s also the first to get a double 1:1 at Uni… Is that a drink? 😛
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Mar 10, 2022 12:49:11 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Mar 10, 2022 12:49:11 GMT
Never mind deposits, I could buy them a house each with the money I'll have spent on private education. In the South East, too. Now, though, they'll have to rack up debt to go to University, and we'll have to provide handouts from our limited equities after that to house them. There's a decent comp walking distance from here, too. This situation wasn't my choice, however, and I'm still not convinced we're receiving value for money on the education. The total sum spent (and remaining to be spent) is eye-watering, and I remain to be convinced that the academic results will reflect that investment. I think it's been a huge mistake, and I thought that from the outset. When I was at The Manchester Grammar School, there were boys there who parents had scrimped and saved to get their children into private school so that they would have a better life than the parents. Meeting some of the 'boys' years later, they were scrimping and saving to get their children into private school so that they would have a better life than the parents. I do wonder why... My friends and I who had a private education can see some of the benefits but mainly around our breadth of knowledge. In real terms, most of us would have had similar careers if we had gone to a reasonable state school (although there were fewer then than now). The only children I see now who really benefit from a private education are those very interesting and clever ones who also take advantage of improved IT, sports or non-academic subject facilities. The son of some friends went to MGS and thrived, but then he was always very questioning and is now likely to study PPE at Durham or Cambridge. He would not have lasted a term in the school my kids went to. But I have no regrets at all about the education my kids received at high school.
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Mar 10, 2022 17:06:00 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Mar 10, 2022 17:06:00 GMT
SWMBO and I both work full-time; she is starting to hate her job whilst I am ok-but-slightly-bored which I guess is fine and probably rather normal at this age and stage of the corporate universe. (There’ll probably be another restructuring redundancy cheque in the mail in a year or two anyway.)
We built a huge house a few years ago as an “investment”, to sell and downsize when we retire. Just don’t see the point in waiting and working to pay off the remaining mortgage to then sell the place in 5-10 years’ time. Why not sell it now before interest rates rise, fuel and heating costs double, rates rise, water metering gets introduced,... etc. Yes the house might sell for a higher price in 5 years’ time but our costs are going to rise too. Running to stand still?
So the thought is to retire now, sell the mansion, spend a year or so traveling (hence Panama) and then put down retirement roots somewhere... Dunno. SWMBO is keen. Part of me wonders if it’s partly Covid fatigue and our growing petulance at the way the government here is continuing to pile restrictions on everything like it’s 2020 again...
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