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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 24, 2022 9:04:25 GMT
In 1938 Hitler marched into the Sudetenland and annexed part of Czechoslovakia because it was 'German speaking'.
Last night, Putin effectively marched into eastern Ukraine because it was 'Russian speaing'.
I wonder what Xi of China is thinking right now about Taiwan and how do the Tainwanese feel? Where is this all going to end up. Is anyone to blame other than Putin's megalomania or paranoia?
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Post by Humph on Feb 24, 2022 9:10:15 GMT
It'll either all be over in a few days, or we're set for a major conflict.
Place your bets now...
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Post by dixinormus on Feb 24, 2022 9:20:59 GMT
And oil has just passed $100 a barrel...
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Post by Humph on Feb 24, 2022 9:57:20 GMT
Yes, while trivial in the grand scheme of things, it could be set for a period of very high fuel costs.
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Post by WDB on Feb 24, 2022 12:18:00 GMT
Is anyone to blame other than Putin's megalomania or paranoia? As always, there are those who could have done more, sooner. Allowing London to become a repository of corrupt Russian money was never a good look. Nor is the millions of such money accepted by the Conservative Party. And those who’ve helped Putin by passing on his RT disinformation (including several of the Fleeces we used to hang out with) need to consider their part in this, along with the vanity politicians, including Farage and Corbyn, who’ve placed Putin above this country’s true friends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 14:11:52 GMT
I think Putin has walked into a disaster. He'll have trouble at home, trouble in Ukraine, trouble from people impacted by sanctions and he will have to find a face saving way out.
What the rest of the world has to do it hold strong, don't blink, and don't give way to a playground bully.
I see that yesterday Trump came out in support of Putin's strategy and approach. What a dick.
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Post by WDB on Feb 24, 2022 15:26:57 GMT
Well yes. When it comes to vanity politicians, at least those in democratic countries, Trump is top of the stinking heap.
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 24, 2022 16:18:34 GMT
We do need to hold strong. If we do, China may be deterred from invading Taiwan. If the West is seen as weak, China will be licking its lips.
The attitude of the Stop the War grouping (Corbynites if course) are so misguided. It was clear at least six months ago that Putin had crossed the line. Isolation is the only answer now.
If there is real war, Russia cannot win. The technology gap is too great. But we won't find out until he goes further into Ukraine or over the border. If I was Georgia or Armenia I'd be very worried.
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Post by WDB on Feb 24, 2022 17:02:13 GMT
Putin has the weapons to do a great deal of damage in the course of losing a war. There really would be no winners in that.
The China-Taiwan parallel makes little sense. Russia’s weakness is economic, and that’s where the West can hurt Putin and undermine his standing at home (assuming Johnson has the balls to do more than ask a couple of oligarchs to sit behind a potted palm while they enjoy their tea at the Ritz.) That doesn’t apply to China.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 23:20:45 GMT
I think he's going to kick crap out of the Ukraine, maintain he is only targeting military installations and equipment and then plans to withdraw stating that he has achieved his objectives and made Russia safe from the 'threat'.
He'll have scared the world, defied the world, and will trumpet that from his tower. Like Trump he will be a legend in his own mind, which is all he really needs or wants, or indeed will get, and continuing sanctions will justify his claims to be defending Russia against the Evil NATO / US / Nazi Ukrainians and their Jewish leader / Bogeyman.
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Post by Humph on Feb 25, 2022 8:46:47 GMT
Rumours circulating this morning that France has surrendered… 😉
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Post by WDB on Feb 25, 2022 23:08:08 GMT
Putin’s deranged rantings about ‘drug addicts’ and ‘neo-Nazis’ are terrifying, given the weapons he controls. But they may just begin to persuade other Russians that he’s become a liability. That may be the best hope Ukraine and Europe have at the moment.
Right now that’s all I’ve got but it’s a bit better than nothing. What a desperate situation.
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Post by Rob on Feb 25, 2022 23:42:34 GMT
Even if all Russian's decide he needs to go.... how do they get rid of a dictator?
Never thought I'd see this happen in Europe - Syria or the middle east yes.
The Ukraine will have to surrender in the next 24 to 48 hours surely or there will be a massacre of civilians trying to defend the country.
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Post by WDB on Feb 26, 2022 15:24:48 GMT
The idea of civilians arming themselves to defend the streets they live in is horrific, especially when you think they'll be fighting 20-year-old Russians who want this war no more than they do.
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Post by Rob on Feb 26, 2022 18:43:53 GMT
I fear this is not going to go according to Putin's plan, as in they will not have the country surrender so quickly. It was said the number of troops were enough for a quick push to overthrow the government. So there is going to be much more bloodshed with most being Ukrainian. There will be more use of artillery shelling and MLRS.
Someone needs to stop this crazy guy. I don't think the Russian parliament even voted/agreed on what is happening.
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