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Post by Rob on Feb 15, 2021 17:52:34 GMT
Just wondering what you guys think on this topic. Say someone is aged 50-54 with no underlying health conditions and they've just sent a letter for a vaccine appointment - would you book or query this? Person I happen to know and I think they are wrong to be taking a slot. They might have been on a list because they did some caring work in 2019 but no longer do that. They said they thought maybe it was because they were black and anyway they are now doing over 60s... which they aren't it's over 65s.
I am disappointed in this individual to be honest. I thought better of them.
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Post by WDB on Feb 15, 2021 18:53:32 GMT
The admin is the biggest obstacle to getting the programme done. Refusing a slot once offered might cost multiple slots in terms of wasted admin time. Better just to take it, get it done and let the programme roll on. There are bound to be a few inconsistencies in anything on this scale.
That said, MrsB1 — who exactly fits your profile except that she’s not BAME — refused a slot she was offered because of her job in a health related charity. The charity employs people in direct contact with hospital staff and patients, but that’s not the work she does, nor does she have any personal contact with those that do. And it would have meant travelling 15 miles each way to get it, which seemed unwise. But when either of us gets the call to go to our local centre, we won’t hang about.
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Post by Rob on Feb 15, 2021 19:31:06 GMT
The person I refer to works in the same job as my wife. It is not a caring role etc. There another BAME colleague who is ten years older who has not yet had a letter from NHS for a vaccine appointment but then we haven't called up the under 65s yet.
But if you got a letter to have the vaccine say now and they have not completed the over 65s or the vulnerable (e.g. those with cancer).... would you still go sooner than you should?
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Post by WDB on Feb 15, 2021 21:07:12 GMT
Yes. Not your concern, and refusing your own invitation won’t get anyone else vaccinated sooner. What matters to society as a whole is total numbers vaccinated. Just do your bit towards getting it all done as quickly as possible.
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Post by Avant on Feb 15, 2021 23:18:18 GMT
Agree with WDB. The problem is the public sector computer-driven 'mentality' which decrees that if you turn down an opportunity for a vaccine you are off the list, so you don't get another.
If she has a conscience, let her think about the possible alternative - not having the vaccine, catching COVID and giving it to others during the incubation period.
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2021 8:58:44 GMT
If you use the NHS link to book a vaccine slot at a national centre (which is what she did), if you're under 65 and can't answer yes to being a carer it says you're not eligible yet. So she actually lied to then get the booking.
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 16, 2021 11:28:20 GMT
My wife who volunteers for a charity delivering food and stuff to those sheilding etc has been offered a jab. No details yet - just that she will be in the list when the charity is given the nod to put names down. I felt a bit like Rob but then realised that the system doesn't work like that so reqally just getting jab is beneficial for everyone including me, our children and wider society. The more people jabbed more quickly the better.
Almost anyone who gets Covid now will survive - some not well for long periods - but they will survive. Hence it is now simply a matter of numbers vaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 12:14:06 GMT
We also need to get every person not a risk of serious illness or death vaccinated, because if we don't and the virus spreads through that cohort, the more chance there is that it will mutate into a form which can infect the vaccinated, and put us back at square one. So speed is also of the essence. I think the greater good is served if everyone offered a jab gets the jab, whatever the rights and wrongs of any indivudual case. We need to ensure we don't lift restrictions even when the at risk groups are vaccinated for this reason, unfortunately. And this is where I think the government will fail, in thrall to populism and screeching demands from backbenchers and the right wing press to throw the pubs and football stadiums wide open immediately come the srping. I think there's a racing chance we'll be in another lockdown next winter.
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 16, 2021 12:43:54 GMT
Whilst I am really desperate (well let's say very keen) to get back inside the Etihad and Wembley, I do agree that it should be done slowly. If they restricted such events to 10% capacity at first and gradually increased it as the population was increasingly immune via vaccination, I would be happy.
There are situations where there appears to be very little transmission of the virus and outdoor meetings is one and strangely on an aeroplane.
We won't have lockdown again simply because we don't have lockdown for the different variants of flu we get each year that kill 20,000+. We just have to live with it once the majority of people are immune or capable of surviving it. There are more and more treatments available now which can fight the virus once it has been caught. That arsenal will ensure that death rates are reduced even further.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 12:51:19 GMT
I'd like to think you're right. But the government aren't going to do it gradually. They are going to *Naughty word* it up, causing a mutation to arise which will cause infections in the vaccinated population, and off we go again. That's my fear.
I have a ticket to England v Scotland in Euro 2020 at Wembley. I do hope to be able to go. But I don't think I'll have had 2 vaccine doses plus the time for immunity to build by then. I probably won't get my first until end of April, then waiting 12 weeks for the second puts me to end of July. I certainly shouldn't be allowed to attend such an event until I'm properly immunised, but even if I am allowed, I most likely will choose not to as it would be irresponsible to do so.
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2021 14:42:14 GMT
I think they will try to let it spread quickly once over 50s and the vulnerable are done. A clue today is the 1.7 million more that may be asked to shield.
I still think my wife's colleague is wrong to take this slot up this week. It was not meant for her age group yet. And her link can be used later to book it so she wouldn't be missed. It's the fact she will have also had to lie to get through the booking system that makes it even worse. Anyone can use the NHS link that's out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 14:48:23 GMT
If they let it spread, in any large group, it raises the probability of a mutation creating a verison which can infect everyone again. It would be the height of irresponsibility and incompetence. On that basis, I expect it will happen.
I see your point regarding the individual case you are talking about - but there are much bigger issues at play, and I won't be overly worried about it myself. Once Cummings went to Barnard Castle and got away with it, the tone has been set.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 8:50:45 GMT
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Post by WDB on Feb 17, 2021 12:36:22 GMT
Still means he weighs 108kg, though, which qualifies as obese (30.5, same as Trump) at that height. So perhaps it wasn’t an error. 🤓
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Post by WDB on Feb 17, 2021 15:35:56 GMT
But when either of us gets the call to go to our local centre, we won’t hang about. The call came for me today. I’m going to be Pfizered next Wednesday. |
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