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Post by WDB on Jan 28, 2021 16:40:05 GMT
Yeah, you should probably pop out for some fresh air WDB... 😉 Good idea. Made some tea with the Kelly Kettle. Better now.
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Post by WDB on Jan 29, 2021 15:46:36 GMT
After nearly three years of putting it off, Boy1 is fretting about getting a driving licence in time for his placement year, due to start in September. No prospect of lessons till April, and test appointments begin in June.
So I started to think extracartonically and wondered whether a car kept here would allow him enough supervised practice to make the reduced number of lessons he’s likely to get in less of a problem.
Which means a car and some insurance, say £3500 for a 2008 C30 1.6 petrol and — small gulp — £1700 to insure it, rising to £2200 once he has a full licence. The C30 may not be the cheapest option but has the big advantage that I know I can fit in one, which means his taller little brother will be able to drive it too. (Small French cars don’t do well on this criterion.) It’s also a rather nice machine, if not exactly a Saab 900.
I’m not an instructor and don’t propose to instruct him. But he will have no difficulty with the technical side of driving, and I could give him a lot of supervised practice. Daft idea? Recipe for family rifts?
Had to look: a £2500 1991 900i adds about 40% to each premium.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 16:37:57 GMT
Good idea.
Classic insurance for a 1991 SAAB 900 surely would be cheaper.
Be surprised if he gets a licence by September, mind. Virtual beers on me if he does.
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Post by WDB on Jan 29, 2021 17:19:41 GMT
I’m staggered. A poke around on Moneysupermarket brings quotes for either Swede down into the £550 (provisional) to £800 (newly full) range. No punitive excess either — typically £390; that’s less than Aviva plonked on me for driving the CLS. For that much, I’m tempted just to pop out tomorrow and buy one.
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Post by Humph on Jan 29, 2021 19:10:51 GMT
For what it's worth, I did most of the teaching for my son. Want to think we paid for about 6 lessons to get him started, but after that, it was just me or his mum. As you know, we got him an old Aygo for his 17th, which he still has nearly 4 years later. Passed his test first time.
Only had one anxious moment when he was learning, and it wasn't his fault. A car pulled out of a junction in front of him and if I hadn't hauled the handbrake on he'd probably have hit it.
We did have a bit of a chat before he began to learn, along the lines of "If I say to do something, just do it, immediately, even if you disagree, if you still disagree afterwards, ask me, and I'll explain, but don't argue at the time." Kind of worked, most of the the time. 😉
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Post by Humph on Jan 29, 2021 19:41:08 GMT
Incidentally, after a while, we stopped regarding every outing as a driving "lesson". It just became the norm that if he or we needed to go anywhere, that he would drive with one of us riding shotgun. My thinking was that he should quickly come to regard driving as a normal activity rather than a challenge or test.
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Post by dixinormus on Jan 29, 2021 22:40:14 GMT
C30s of that vintage all fetch £3 grand or more in these parts. And they’ve all got the 2.4 petrol engine 😬.
I like ‘em. Can’t believe that even the newest ones are around 10 years old now!
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Post by Humph on Jan 30, 2021 11:13:29 GMT
This info may be of no interest or use to you WDB, but, there's a young lad who works in our office who is 6' 5". He has an old (ish) Clio and fits into it no bother. He's had it a couple of years and it has been his daily driver for his 40 mile round trip commute during that time. He's Italian, but UK resident, and pre-Covid had taken it home to Italy on at least two occasions without any mechanical grief.
Want to remember that it's a 2010 model with a 1.2 engine. Anyway, it might not be your sort of thing, so feel free to ignore, but it was the factor of him being tall, it being small, and him being still able to use it comfortably that struck me. Cheap to maintain/insure etc too you'd think.
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Post by WDB on Jan 30, 2021 13:52:56 GMT
If he’s Italian he’ll have little feet. I tried a 106 once and couldn’t depress the clutch without also moving the brake. I admit I’ve not tried many Renaults since my mum’s 4GTL in 1988 (although I hated the seats of the Scenic I rented in Scotland in 2000) and I did cope with a Punto in Ayrshire in 1995, so there are small cars that could work.
But I still feel a next-size-up car might be a better bet, especially if Boy1 then takes it with him on his placement year. Not much harder to park but far nicer for a longer journey.
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Post by Humph on Jan 30, 2021 14:01:33 GMT
Depends what you call "little" I guess. He's shoe size 14. But, fair enough, bigger is almost always better with cars !
I saw one of those C30 thingies this morning in town, a red one. Can't decide whether I like them or not to be honest. Definitely a Marmite car.
Hard not to say that a Focus could be a good thing.
Anyway, whatever you decide on, good hunting, and you might find that you enjoy teaching him. If you're interested in driving and cars, which I know you are, it's good to pass on some of that experience and enthusiasm.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 30, 2021 18:59:24 GMT
Thoughts... Drop the zero on the C30 and look at Citroen C3 (Picasso or otherwise). Suitable for tall people. My son with the Punto is 6ft and he has no trouble driving it. My experience of driving with children is that they make slower progress with me than with a teacher. Particularly where you need the specific skills to pass the test. Given the conversation we have had about all cars becoming automatic in due course due to electric propulsion, maybe buy an automatic ICE now and teach him on that. It will save hours of graunching clutches and stalling and roadcraft can be taught more quickly. There are so many smaller automatics for sale these days. example
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Post by WDB on Jan 30, 2021 23:49:39 GMT
Thanks Esp, but don’t confuse 6ft with tall. That’s strictly ‘medium height’ territory. 🤠Squashy French seats aren’t a great mix with long backs either.
This still may not happen at all but for a probable difference of a few hundred quid, the C30 is a quantity I know and like.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 8:43:17 GMT
I’m staggered. A poke around on Moneysupermarket brings quotes for either Swede down into the £550 (provisional) to £800 (newly full) range. No punitive excess either — typically £390; that’s less than Aviva plonked on me for driving the CLS. For that much, I’m tempted just to pop out tomorrow and buy one. Let's have a photo of it being filled up at a petrol station later today please.
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Post by WDB on Feb 1, 2021 9:19:10 GMT
It was raining.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 14:16:33 GMT
There's someone on what looks like their 17th-birthday-first-practice-with-Dad in my neighbourhood today. A white 64 plate Ibiza with L Plates keeps creeping past the window every 5/10 minutes or so. Just been past again with a 70 Reg grey (natch) Merc A Class getting right up its trumpet in evident frustration.
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