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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 8:55:05 GMT
No solution is ever going to be perfect, Al, but you can avoid having 3 cars by: - getting him lessons with an instructor on a manual car and taking his test in same; - at the same time giving him practice in the Civic or the Leaf, so that right from the start he can drive either manual or auto without any worries; - letting him use one of yours when he passes his test. He probably won't use it much as if he's socialising he'll prefer to drink. And I doubt he'll need a car at university even if he's allowed one. I didn't buy a car until my last couple of weeks at Cambridge in 1969 - suitably an Austin Cambridge, 14 years old for £65 and it never let me down. My reservation with this approach is that the Civic and the Leaf are both very powerful, very valuable cars for a 17 year old to be trusted with. Which leads me to think: should there be some kind of performance restriction rolled out to electric cars for young drivers? The acceleration of most of them is phenomenal and likely to end in even worse accident stats than currently present.
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Post by WDB on Jan 22, 2021 9:35:04 GMT
An electric car could be programmed with driver profiles to take account of limited experience. Using the right one could be a condition of insurance — and a profile could be tied to a specific key. (The i3’s keys put different presets on the radio for MrsB1 and me, so the potential is there.)
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 9:44:57 GMT
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 9:49:55 GMT
Possibly worth googling those 1.2 engines Al. Seem to think they're not the best. Only reason I know a little something about them is that some Dusters have them.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 22, 2021 10:13:28 GMT
Yes. As noted above my daughter was born in 2004 and is learning on a manual but that's because she is likly to be drivng older cars for some years. But once she turns say 23 and has a job, no-one will be buying new ICE cars and leasing will be the way forward (although not my preference).
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 10:38:53 GMT
Possibly worth googling those 1.2 engines Al. Seem to think they're not the best. Only reason I know a little something about them is that some Dusters have them. OK I'll have a look. Must be the same in Clios etc too then? These Pulsars are Group 10 insurance, which is a few notches lower than the Baleno, but higher than the Tipo. I think probably best to try to stay at Group 10 or lower.
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Post by Avant on Jan 22, 2021 10:45:14 GMT
Surely a manual 2015 Pulsar isn't all that much slower or less valuable than the automatic 2016 Civic that you've got? A bit, yes, but the accountant in me wants to help you save money!
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 10:59:13 GMT
Surely a manual 2015 Pulsar isn't all that much slower or less valuable than the automatic 2016 Civic that you've got? A bit, yes, but the accountant in me wants to help you save money! It is much less powerful and much cheaper. A 2015 1.2 manual Pulsar is about £6k, if you want a Civic like mine (1.8 petrol auto estate SE Plus) on a 2016 reg and low miles it's about £12k. Autotrader will show you.
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 12:26:08 GMT
Joyless thing though, you'd think anyway. It's very possible to get a cheap, insurance friendly car that's still a bit of fun to drive. A Pulsar just smacks of beige somehow.
One of my son's mates has recently passed his test, and his parents have very kindly bought him an old Honda Jazz. He's conflicted, because while he's ever so grateful to have been given a car, he wasn't entirely hoping for a Jazz. But, like my Hornet, it'll no doubt be looked back on with some affection in due course.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 12:30:17 GMT
I had a Pulsar 1.2 petrol as a courtesy car once. It was really quite spritely and perfectly good fun for what it was - 115bhp is fine in a car like that. In stark contrast the the horrible Jukes I usually get which make me feel car sick.
'S funny, I don't think I've ever found any car "joyless", except those Jukes. I genuinely hate them.
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 12:31:49 GMT
I get that. Jukes just annoy me in a probably totally irrational way.
Unfortunately, my wife likes them. But she is from Cheshire.
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 12:34:14 GMT
I once got a Micra as a loaner. Aye, the older one but not the oldest one if you see what I mean?
Surprisingly nice.
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 12:36:21 GMT
...oh, and a Nissan Cube too once. Mad as a box of frogs styling but I quite liked it.
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Post by Humph on Jan 22, 2021 12:40:23 GMT
Chris Rea learned to drive in an ice cream van you know.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 22, 2021 12:44:16 GMT
Chris Rea learned to drive in an ice cream van you know. Bit small to be driving a car around in one of those. Wonder what sort of car would fit?
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