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Post by WDB on Dec 16, 2020 21:56:12 GMT
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Post by Avant on Dec 16, 2020 23:26:36 GMT
The London ULEZ is being expanded from next October - as it should have been in the first place - to cover the whole area inside the North and South Circulars. I suppose the next logical step would be the M25, and similar ring roads round other cities.
Anyone know what evidence there is of air quality improvement within the existing ULEZ? It depends no doubt on how many haulage companies simply pay the £100 a day fee rather than avoiding the area. I'd guess that there are more old lorries than old cars around, which are the major polluters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 0:53:56 GMT
Anyone know what evidence there is of air quality improvement within the existing ULEZ? That data will be shared around the same time as how clean the air is with fewer aircraft flying due to Covid-19. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 9:26:27 GMT
You might have to pay a charge to cross Reading in your CLS (but probbaly not your i3) soon, WDB. Hopefully not for trips ending in Reading for shopping/leisure purposes though. It's being cooked up as the answer to the town's congestion, rather than a third Thames crossing. I think the people of Pangbourne, Goring and Sonning are going to be rather angry... |
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Post by WDB on Dec 17, 2020 9:40:39 GMT
Doesn’t take much to upset that lot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 9:49:41 GMT
Tories. Always angry about something. Too much spare time on their hands after the daily money count.
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Post by WDB on Dec 17, 2020 10:01:33 GMT
Luckily we’ve got a government that’s working hard to give them more counting to do.
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Post by tyrednexited on Dec 17, 2020 10:04:52 GMT
...how much effort does it take to go "One, two, three, many......"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 10:05:36 GMT
Not if they work out the conversion rates to foreign currencies they won't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 10:06:26 GMT
...how much effort does it take to go "One, two, three, many......"? Probably asking a bit much of the PM there. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 17, 2020 11:27:01 GMT
I first came across the HJ website from his column in the DT; an newspaper organ known for iys slightly right of centre political views. From there I gravitated here; with the occasional foray to 'the other place' where they seem to do lots of slagging off. What possibly naively surprises me, is that for a bunch of middle aged men who all presumably came here via a similar route, that we have fairly widely differing political views.
Anyway - having lived on a main road (although not one in London), the death exacerbated by pollution does not surprise me. I remember the morning they started a bus lane outside our house in 1990. Beforehand traffic flowed freely, but on this morning and every morning thereafter, the traffic was backed up for miles, barely moving. The smell of the pollution inside the house was terrible.
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Post by WDB on Dec 17, 2020 11:41:31 GMT
So the pollution was the fault of the buses and not of the drivers the bus lane was supposed to encourage out of their cars? I'd guess that there are more old lorries than old cars around, which are the major polluters. I’d guess the opposite. Maybe a higher proportion of lorries run past, say, ten years — and to much greater aggregate mileages — but in absolute numbers there must be far more cars and vans in the dirtiest categories. There’s a genuine problem of fairness, in that the old, dirty vehicles tend to be used by the people least able to choose cleaner ones. So there also have to be incentives to reduce the number of vehicle journeys of all kinds. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 12:09:50 GMT
Yes I don't think there are many old lorries on the road either. The amount of use they get means they wear out and are scrapped earlier than other vehicles. Rare to see an HGV with a reg earlier than about 2010 now.
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Post by Humph on Dec 17, 2020 12:13:38 GMT
Also, it can't be a coincidence that incidence of obesity has increased in direct proportion to increased car usage.
My next door neighbour drives to his office every day. One mile away. It's only a mile because there's a park in between. If he was to walk across the park it would be less than half a mile. 10 minutes if you dawdle. 5 on a bike. Takes at least that amount of time, if not more, to drive round the edge of the park due to traffic.
He's fat and drives another mile back to the gym in the evenings for excercise. Go figure...
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Post by EspadaIII on Dec 17, 2020 12:29:25 GMT
So the pollution was the fault of the buses and not of the drivers the bus lane was supposed to encourage out of their cars?
No - not the buses fault, but you cannot force people into buses; you have to encourage them, but making the journeys quick, convenient, comfortable and less threatening. My kids will take the tram into the city centre (involving a 15 minutes walk to the tram station) but will not take the bus (a one minute walk to the main road bus stop) because the bus is more expensive and full of weirdos. Also it takes longer despite bus lanes.
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