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Post by Humph on Jan 7, 2020 12:11:10 GMT
I'm booking business meetings and travel today, including some in Italy, Ireland and France in February.
Have to assume I'll be able to take my car and commercial goods ( samples etc ) across the waters and back seamlessly.
Wish someone would tell me WTF is going on. Fed up with this now.
Can't even guarantee prices.
Happy days !
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 7, 2020 12:14:24 GMT
I think that nothing will change for a while...
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Post by Humph on Jan 7, 2020 12:15:26 GMT
Well, that's the assumption I'm forced to make too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 12:15:50 GMT
My understanding is it's business as usual until the end of the year.
It's 1st Jan. 2021 when the UK is fully out depending on what is agreed by then.
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Post by Humph on Jan 7, 2020 12:19:29 GMT
The contracts I'll ( hopefully ) be negotiating will be for delivery July-Dec, so that helps.
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Post by WDB on Jan 8, 2020 7:14:04 GMT
My understanding is it's business as usual until the end of the year. It is: the ‘Transition Period’. Transition to what is what we don’t yet know — and what we now have to trust Boris Johnson to decide. Just say that to yourself a few times: We have to trust Boris Johnson.Through the looking glass or what? |
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Post by Alanović on Jan 8, 2020 8:22:47 GMT
It was our best option, allegedly.
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Post by commerdriver on Jan 8, 2020 9:05:58 GMT
It was our best option, allegedly. More correctly, the least bad option |
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 8, 2020 9:06:35 GMT
I think we can all agree with that.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 8, 2020 9:14:23 GMT
I think you are catastrophically incorrect, and will be proven so. Particularly after January 2021, when we finally fully leave with with no deal, or at best a dreadfully poorer deal than we have now. So no, we can't all agree with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 9:53:19 GMT
It is: the ‘Transition Period’. Transition to what is what we don’t yet know — and what we now have to trust Boris Johnson to decide. Just say that to yourself a few times: We have to trust Boris Johnson.Through the looking glass or what? Boris doesn't decide anything, he doesn't do detail. That would mean putting your head on the block, responsibility, accountability all that good stuff. He'll leave getting Brexit done to some poor sucker who can later take the blame if it goes wrong. Of course, he'll take all the glory if it's an unparalleled success. |
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Post by WDB on Jan 8, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
Perhaps I should have written ‘deliver’ rather than ‘decide’. We’ll get what Johnson’s unelected string-pullers decide we should have, which will not even please all of the 43 percent that voted for him, never mind the majority that didn’t.
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Post by commerdriver on Jan 8, 2020 14:20:47 GMT
Whether we like it or not BJ is now the elected Prime Minister of this country and has a majority which will, in all likelihood, allow his party to direct the UK end of the deal and carry it through due process at the end of the year.
We all know that whatever percentage of the populace voted for him, that is how it works.
Historically this happens more often than not, It happens that way because most politicians of all parties, certainly the two biggest don't want to give that up. The last few months of last year were a classic case of that self interest that most politicians could not walk away from.
We really needed ALL the opposition parties to get together and agree on a single course of action whether it was a second referendum, cancel a50, change the electoral system, or whatever, they had the biggest chance to change the system in the last 50 years. Instead of that they put their different views to the electorate against BJ and he got what he wanted, if they had been grown up enough to agree and put a single agreed issue too the electorate it might have been different, but they didn't so it wasn't.
Please, if you are going to moan, put the blame where it really lies, which is not with people who in some cases, did not feel that anyone else was worth voting for, in some vain hope that our politicians would do better if they nattered on for a few more years and didn't decide on anything positive.
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Post by Alanović on Jan 8, 2020 14:32:09 GMT
Nope. You're not going to abrogate responsibility for your part in electing a catastrophic government with catastrophic policies. All other options were better. The best option of all was a hung Parliament, which was also the most realistically within our reach.
We have not ended any "uncertainty", as seems to the the biggest justification for this disastrous government. Just look at Humph's business situation on which this thread is predicated for one example.
Yes, the opposition parties let us down. But we have equally let ourselves down by handing carte blanche to those people with the worst instincts in British politics.
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Post by Hofmeister on Jan 8, 2020 14:36:41 GMT
Whether we like it or not BJ is now the elected Prime Minister of this country and has a majority which will, in all likelihood, allow his party to direct the UK end of the deal and carry it through due process at the end of the year. We all know that whatever percentage of the populace voted for him, that is how it works. Historically this happens more often than not, It happens that way because most politicians of all parties, certainly the two biggest don't want to give that up. The last few months of last year were a classic case of that self interest that most politicians could not walk away from. We really needed ALL the opposition parties to get together and agree on a single course of action whether it was a second referendum, cancel a50, change the electoral system, or whatever, they had the biggest chance to change the system in the last 50 years. Instead of that they put their different views to the electorate against BJ and he got what he wanted, if they had been grown up enough to agree and put a single agreed issue too the electorate it might have been different, but they didn't so it wasn't. Please, if you are going to moan, put the blame where it really lies, which is not with people who in some cases, did not feel that anyone else was worth voting for, in some vain hope that our politicians would do better if they nattered on for a few more years and didn't decide on anything positive. I'm afraid the last few years of a government with a wafer thin majority, dependent on alliances, has cruelly exposed how hamstrung and ineffective it is , which is the likely outcome of any government elected on any basis of PR. The electorate got utterly pissed off with politicians faffing about and not achieving anything. |
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